Black Pastel question

IMO just because it's being sold under a specific name doesn't mean its the right name. I can understand a Black Pastel being sold as a Cinnamon. I do not understand a Cinnamon being sold as a Black Pastel. I say this because I have never seen a Cinny that looks like a Black Pastel but I have seen low quality Black Pastels that look like Cinny's.

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Originally Posted by PiedPeddler

There are regularly Black Pastels being produced that have Cinnamon characteristics, and very often the Black Pastels being offered by Outback Reptiles have Cinnamon characteristics and look pretty much the same as the snake I received in that trade. I believe Outback is Ian G's company so they should know a Black Pastel when they see (or produce) one. Here is a current ad for one:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=826128

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See, that looks like a pretty solid black pastel to me. There's some warm browns in the blushing, but overall it just looks less brown than either of these:

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=825155

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=807348

But I guess the proof is the the pewter...

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I can understand a Black Pastel being sold as a Cinnamon. I do not understand a Cinnamon being sold as a Black Pastel.

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I think the worry there is that black pastels (on average) still sell for $50-$100 more than cinnamons?

...And oh my GOSH do I want Bailey's hypo super cinny. Somebody lend me a few grand?

I think it's just that my perspective is a bit skewed. In 2005 when we got our hatchling Cinnamon male to put into our Pied projects, we got the darkest one we could find because we wanted dark supers in the end. Our founding Ian G line Black Pastel was what I considered average, but did not have any brown wash over the head. So basically our Cinnamon Het Pieds are dark and our Black Pastel Het Pieds are darker than many. What jumps out is the brown wash over the head of our Cinnamons. So when I see a Black Pastel with some brown wash over its head I think Cinnamon.
http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/p...-Cinnamon1.jpg
http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/p...-Cinnamon2.jpg

Here is a pic of a Black Pastel and a Cinnamon. The Black Pastel is a Liesen line and the Cinnamon is from Paul Buckley, both of witch are top notch specimens.
Black Pastel on the left and Cinnamon on the right.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/100_3627.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/100_3630.jpg

And this is our Cinny female (yea she is a black back and a ringer to boot to)

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/100_3641.jpg

Chad with METAL MORPHS has a great line of black pastels. I bought mine two years ago from him.