I use to try to use those cages but to me its not worth it in the long run. They start to wreak cause big snakes pee ALOT! And the wood is harder to clean. Visions and ap cages are super eas to clean out. Well the lips on visions can be a bit annoying at times trying to clean properly. And like I said I hate heavy cages lol but I move my cages alot I get sick of them being certain ways I wish I didnt lol but I do that with everything I get sick of the way my living room looks after a few months so I rearrange everything lol