Cinnamon Sugar Ball

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Originally Posted by sam_b

She was from a sugar x pewter breeding so no yb in there! If you can show me a pic of a cinny with a belly like this then please do so.

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You misunderstood what I was saying.

I meant that that is not a "Sugar" trait, that's a fairly common occurrence amongst ball morphs. It looks to me that you're basing that off what looks kind of like a ringer.

I have a Black Pastel that came from a Black Pastel x Normal clutch with a similar ringer and a clear belly:

http://leon2ky.com/leon/blackpastel_...arkers_001.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/blackpastel_...arkers_004.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/blackpastel_...arkers_008.jpg

It looks to me like you missed on the odds my friend.

Pewters do have white bellies with white side because of the combo with the pastel gene. That cinny you posted has black markings down either side of its belly and if you look at mine it is white all the way up.

I appreciate what you are saying about ringers, I have seen and owned ringers before, but this is not one.

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Originally Posted by sam_b

Pewters do have white bellies with white side because of the combo with the pastel gene. That cinny you posted has black markings down either side of its belly and if you look at mine it is white all the way up.

I appreciate what you are saying about ringers, I have seen and owned ringers before, but this is not one.

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Ok you know what you've got and that's cool with me.. Just trying to figure out what to look for..

Thanks!

Wow, too many replies and broadband thats on a go slow is not a good mix, answering about 3 messages behind!

I appreciate all your opinions on her. If you see her in real life you can see that she has Sugar in her and that's all I can say really. The belly is not the only thing I have based this on, just the thing I picked on for this thread to try and show someone a 'sign' of the sugar gene.

Thanks
Sam

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Originally Posted by sam_b

Pewters do have white bellies with white side because of the combo with the pastel gene. That cinny you posted has black markings down either side of its belly and if you look at mine it is white all the way up.

I appreciate what you are saying about ringers, I have seen and owned ringers before, but this is not one.

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Seriously mate have you ever seen a Pastel Sugar?

http://www.constrictormorphs.co.uk/available.html

The Pewter Sugar you have up on that page is not what I would think a Pewter Sugar would look like, but age would say everything about that animal.

This is what a True Pastel Sugar looks like:
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/daytona07/kahl5.jpg
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/daytona07/kahl6.jpg
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/daytona07/kahl7.jpg
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/daytona07/kahl8.jpg
http://www.exoticsbynature.com/daytona07/kahl9.jpg

I've also saw a few at the Daytona Show that look similar if not considerably more whacked out. There are other Breeders there in the UK you can double check this information with.

But Between the "Sugar Cinny" & the "Sugar Pewter" I think the Pewter is more likely to be a Sugar than the Cinny.

but this is a cinny sugar not a pastel sugar?!

This is the only pic I've seen of a pewer calico before... http://www.storesonlinepro.com/store...page/387200217

In Sam's defense here my calico het red cross probably will not show lots of white. However for some reason the belly on them is way cleaner than a calico or het red. just as Sam's pics show in his animal. The cinnacols that I have seen where low white, just as this will be if it is, but I never did look at the belly on those. Anybody have pics of a cinny calico cross belly?

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Originally Posted by sam_b

but this is a cinny sugar not a pastel sugar?!

This is the only pic I've seen of a pewer calico before... http://www.storesonlinepro.com/store...page/387200217

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It's not, the point was that generally speaking Sugars tend to get really whacked out with additional genes thrown in the mix.

And that Pewter Calico is a Black Pastel Pewter Calico, and Calicos aren't nearly as reactive as Sugar are.

Like I said the Pewter Sugar is most likely what you say it is but if that Cinny Sugar really is a Cinny Sugar, then I know that I will not be perusing the Black Pastel Sugar project.

Edit: Briz, I don't see a picture mate.

I know what you are saying about the sugar gene making patterns crazy but as with all morphs there are different 'severities'. I have hatched out sugars with 'normal' patterning and lots of white and I've also hatched out sugars with hardly any white but very whacked out patterning. All depends on the individual animal.

I posted that link to the pewter calico because I haven't seen any pics of pewter sugars to show! Nearest I could find.

On the cinny x sugar project, have you seen the super cinny calico, not what I hoped it would be...

Don't need to post pics MATE. If you read through everything Sam said and what I said about the belly. Look back at the normal cinny belly and the belly of the animal Sam posted and you should see the difference all the way down the snake. If not do what I did and pull your crosses out of your racks and look at the belly and compare it to the one on Sam's snake and what I said about the crosses I have in my racks. Do they look the same?