Is this a Fire

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Originally Posted by meeistom

Got a response from the breeder and it is in fact a Fire he confirmed it for me. He is from a Fire female and a BEL male. Thanks everyone.

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Trustworthy breeder? Maybe you're right, but it's not the best example of the morph then.:oops:

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Originally Posted by meeistom

He was purchased in a large lot of non normals. That's all I know about him.

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...... well either way good luck

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Finally got a response from the breeder and it is in fact a Fire it's been confirmed it for me. He is from a Fire female and a BEL male so there is no chance a normal was produced in the clutch. Thanks everyone for your input.

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If the sire was a BEL, then it would have to be one form of a het BEL, right?

I'm not sure about the look of all of the many forms of "het BEL's," but it is not a Lesser, Mojo, or Butter.

In order to be a fire it would have to be a Double Mutation animal, carrying both a het BEL gene as well as the Fire gene, and he does not appear to be that animal.

What did the breeder verify him as?

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Originally Posted by rjk890

If the sire was a BEL, then it would have to be one form of a het BEL, right?

I'm not sure about the look of all of the many forms of "het BEL's," but it is not a Lesser, Mojo, or Butter.

In order to be a fire it would have to be a Double Mutation animal, carrying both a het BEL gene as well as the Fire gene, and he does not appear to be that animal.

What did the breeder verify him as?

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Fire is a single gene co-Dom
Fire gene is "het" for BEL black eyes Lucy
hope this helps

the pics are hard to tell from the lighting....however i'm not really seeing fire though.

on another note not all fires look the same....there's good examples and poor examples. the only way to be sure would be to breed it out.

here's what my fire looks like.....


Pitoon

http://www.unitedherps.com/images/Co...Pics/Fire1.JPG

B grade fire at best... Here's mine
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...s/Firedone.jpg

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Originally Posted by meeistom

He was purchased in a large lot of non normals. That's all I know about him.

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So the breeder threw in a fire with a large lot of normals for what reason?

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Originally Posted by rjk890

If the sire was a BEL, then it would have to be one form of a het BEL, right?

I'm not sure about the look of all of the many forms of "het BEL's," but it is not a Lesser, Mojo, or Butter.

In order to be a fire it would have to be a Double Mutation animal, carrying both a het BEL gene as well as the Fire gene, and he does not appear to be that animal.

What did the breeder verify him as?

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Not hugely relevant to the conversation, but it seems that BEL is a bad abbreviation to use for a lucy as the words "blue" and "black" both start with "B." :P So, really, both blue-eyed leucistics and black-eyed leucistics could be referred to as BELs.

It does seem to be more commonly used to refer to the blue-eyes, but no reason why it couldn't be short for black-eyed leucistic as well.

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Originally Posted by meeistom

Finally got a response from the breeder and it is in fact a Fire it's been confirmed it for me. He is from a Fire female and a BEL male so there is no chance a normal was produced in the clutch. Thanks everyone for your input.

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Maybe I'm not getting this right. But if you bought a lot of animals and the mother was a fire, and the father was a BEL.... then the whole lot would have been fires. A super fire (BEL) would throw ALL fires.

I'm no spector expert, but it looks like a spector to me. I could be way off, but it doesn't look at all like a fire... more like a spector or whirlwind.