dreamsicle market price

I agree with the post of 40,000...No way anyone will sell for 20k...And as mentioned from others your best bet is trying o make them or throw out some serious $$$$$....

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Sorry, I am not buying that anyone would sell one for much less that 20k. The only source is Ralph and I can't see him selling them cheap.

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Ralphie is no longer the only source for Dreamsicles, Justin Kobylka produced a male last year, and he is hard at work this year so chances are Justin might have a few more up his sleeve. Not sure of the females he put him too, but I am sure he has some adult double hets laying around.:gj:

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Originally Posted by PrototypePythons

Ralphie is no longer the only source for Dreamsicles, Justin Kobylka produced a male last year, and he is hard at work this year so chances are Justin might have a few more up his sleeve. Not sure of the females he put him too, but I am sure he has some adult double hets laying around.:gj:

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Yep he currently has at least 1 clutch in the incubator from Dbl Het. x Dbl Het.:

http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/incu...m=00009&y=2010

Here is the link to the clutch where he hatched out a male last year:
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/incu...hp?y=2009&c=47

It's not just the fact that a dreamsickle is a doube-recessive (a 1-64 odds!); I'ts also that a Lav by itself os still a 5K snake. Very similar to a Banana (Coral Glow), CHampaigne, etc. I would say 20K is a steal for a male.

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Originally Posted by brian abrams

It's not just the fact that a dreamsickle is a doube-recessive (a 1-64 odds!); I'ts also that a Lav by itself os still a 5K snake. Very similar to a Banana (Coral Glow), CHampaigne, etc. I would say 20K is a steal for a male.

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The odds are 1/16 breeding double het dreamsicles together to get a homozygous dreamsicle.

Yeah, the $40K price is more in line with the market value right now, from what I've been told.

Justin and Ralph are the only two that I am personally aware of having any.

Why not name the other guy, Rhac?

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Originally Posted by Zach Nasty

The odds are 1/16 breeding double het dreamsicles together to get a homozygous dreamsicle.

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Yeah. 1:64 are the odds on a triple het to triple het breeding, like a dreamsicle snow or dreamsicle ghost.

I think Kobylka will probably provide competition in the next couple years, but I doubt he's selling his pride and joy this year. So right now it's all RDR.

In fact, there are so few who are even in sight of making a dreamsicle that I have a hard time believing some random guy could pull one out of a box in a back alley and sell it on the cheap. It's a five year project, minimum--the double het males are stupidly expensive. I'm not sure I've even SEEN a double het female for sale.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Yeah, the $40K price is more in line with the market value right now, from what I've been told.

Justin and Ralph are the only two that I am personally aware of having any.

Why not name the other guy, Rhac?

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Maybe they've confused it with a Albino Piebald? That's more likely, a cheap (say $7-8K) Albino Piebald, though disheartening, isn't unlikely. I imagine that $7-8K is what they would "wholesale" for.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

In fact, there are so few who are even in sight of making a dreamsicle that I have a hard time believing some random guy could pull one out of a box in a back alley and sell it on the cheap. It's a five year project, minimum--the double het males are stupidly expensive. I'm not sure I've even SEEN a double het female for sale.

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2 years for the first female, 2 for females from it's clutch, plus gestation period.

Not really a 5 year project, if you push it. If.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

2 years for the first female, 2 for females from it's clutch, plus gestation period.

Not really a 5 year project, if you push it. If.

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And if you get lucky, right? First you get lucky if the first female gets big enough to breed at 2; then you get lucky if she doesn't slug out and has female offspring; then you get lucky if they get big enough to breed at 2, and don't slug out; and then at the end you're still looking at 1:16 per egg.

Plus lavender albinos still ain't cheap. So if you start with a het instead--which is a more realistic option for small-time breeders like me--then you're either spending an extra two years going for a visual lavender, or you've got a bunch of pos hets that may or may not prove out.

Did Justin ever say how long it took him?