2 new bps for breeding what would you get?

I think the getting the females now would be a good idea should i go for 09 or 10 females? I was under the impression that you need a 3 year old female or more in order to increase the chance for successful breeding? That is one of my issues is that I think my timeframe might have to be increased as big females cost a ton...

I do not have alot of background knowledge with the whole bee thing...

I do not mind co-dom and dom (the genetic part of it is rather easy) but what I really want to try to do is produce something that others are not mass producing...that is one think shying me away from lucys is that they are starting to become more commonly produced and their price is already dropping...which is why the clown project seemed like a better decision

However with a lesser x mojave for BEL 75% of the offspring would be worth something rather than with 1.1 het clown only 25% of the offspring is really worth anything as 66% het clown is basically worthless...

What is the going price for honey bees?

I know it may sound like I am going for money...I am really not but at the same time I do necessarily have $5k to lose...

honey bees are around 1000. I would recomend getting to know the snakes and all that. Meet some breeders and make contacts. then look into breeding if you want to. Alot of times once you make contacts you can get stuff a bit cheaper. But the fact is if your wanting to breed something no one else is your looking at 20k plus a snake. There will always be other people out there breeding the same stuff as you are. Remember that theres a reason so many people ar breeding bees, BELs and all that. Because they are morphs people want. One last thing. You want your female to be 1200+ grams (some people say 1000) But a good place to see whats out there and how much they are going for is kingsnake.com and Fauna Classifieds.

Thank you for the advice raverthug...

Ok I think I am going to be able to go to the National Breeder Expo in Daytona, FL

So I think I will just pick-up the bps there right now I am thinking

0.1 '10/'09 Pastel
0.1 '10/'09 Enchi
0.1 '10/'09 Mojave

I will only get one for right now and then expand...Of course if I get there and someone has an amazing deal it might just have to come home too...
Out of these three choices which would be your top and why? Also I have been looking at prices and kingsnake seems to be highly variable if anyone could give a more set price range that doesnt span $100's obviously the '09 will be more....

Also if anyone is local to florida and is a small breeder of the above and has a good deal hit me on pm

the thing is be it on KS or at a show prices will always vary. You have to take ALOT into consideration with the price. Quality and lines, size, proven breeder or not feeding response ect ect. There no kelly blue book for snakes saying that x morph will cost x amount. All you can do is look to see whats for sale to get an idea

Breed for what you like, dont ever look at breeding as something profitable the best you can hope for is to make enough money to cover the cost of raising the snakes you have. So my advise is to go on kingsnake see what you like and go to couple of shows and talk to some breeders then spend your money on the best examples of whatever you fall for.

I would get a $1000 gram super dom female if possible for the $700 like a super pastel, female or an ivory, and scrape together 100 buh for a male yb neonate. By the time your boy is ready she may be. That may not fit into your time frame but it would for your 2-3 year goal. I dont know what you could do for $700 that you can breed next year. Maybe find a adult male pj for $150 and a 1000 gram female pj for 500? and make super pjs .. Good luck

like ed said, breed for what you like. This isnt really a business you can jump into for little money and make it big. Most people who breed do it as a hobby and it helps pay for there expenses. Your not going to jump in and become the next BHB or anything like that in 3 years. Something else to consider. Get a male codom or dom and several breeding sized normals. But ultimately breed what you like and breed for yourself. not for the money.

I am definately doing this for me and not money but something that is economically viable versus breeding normals or whatever makes more sense to me...Ultimately I am doing this for experience just like all my other breeding projects...

Thanks everyone for their help...I will let you know how it goes...