Starting Axanthics!

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Originally Posted by ifun.jc

Ahh..that is true i didnt think about it that way. Hmmm so much to think about! But it's been awhile since ive been so engrossed and excited about something.

So female axanthics look like the way to go and possibly male codom hets or visuals down the road as well. so on that note, anyone got some lying around? heh.

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I'm pretty sure JD is going to have some hatching this year. Pm him and ask what he has cooking. I don't know about anyone else. I would watch kingsnake. I know I've seen some VPI lines on there. Also, reptile shows are a great way to go.

Hmm im not too sure what does having 2 distinct family trees entail. Does that mean breeding 2 separate males to those 2 separate females?

Yea im waiting on the San Jose expo on the 31st! I have been watching kingsnake and fauna classifieds everyday and some axanthics do pop up from time to time! Mostly 2010 babies though and some breeder males which sadly dont have much grey/silver retention and look rather normal.

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Hmm im not too sure what does having 2 distinct family trees entail. Does that mean breeding 2 separate males to those 2 separate females?

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Yes you bred one male to one female and one male to the other getting two unrelated clutches. Example:

Clutch 1 Axanthic female x pastel het axanthic male

and

Clutch 2 axanthic female x spider het axanthic male

You get babies from Clutch 1 that are not related to clutch 2 or the parents that way you can cross back and get (in this example) bumble bee axanthics with out any in breeding.

Not saying that it's the only way to do it but it is a way that I would go about it if I had to start over.

Ahh! That makes total sense right now im sorry i forgot about the inbreeding part. But i have also read that inbreeding is not necessarily a bad thing? or am i ill-informed?

1.-2. (09' or older) visual Axanthic(s) (depending on your stance on in/line breeding.
.1 Spider (08'-09')
.1 Pastel (08'-09')
.1 Pinstripe (08'-09)
.1 Mojo / Lesser (08'-09')
.1 Cinnamon/BlackPastel (08'-09')

That way you can try breeding the visual Axanthic x the Females in the upcoming 2010-2011 season, and maybe produce some CoDoms and be certain that they are 100%het Axanthic.
(As well as get some breeding experience.)

Hold back ALL of the females that you produce.
Sell the males, and put the money away.
(Repeat this again in the 2011-2012 season as well, but hold back a CoDom 100%het Ax. of each CoDom you are working with.)

After a season or two, when the females that you produced and held back are grown and the market has come down some, you can use that money to pick up a Double CoDom male that is also a visual Axanthic to breed them to.
(BumbleBee Ax, Pewter Ax, LemonBlast Ax, or FireFly Axanthic.)

Starting with just these Base Morphs, if everything goes well, you could be producing some of the following Combo's in as little as 3-5 years:

Pastel Axanthics
Spider Ax's
Pinstripe Ax's
Cinnamon Ax's
Pinstripe Ax's
Mojo / Lesser Ax's
SuperPastel Ax's
Bumble / KillerBee Ax's
Lemon / KillerBlast Ax's
Pewter Ax's
CinnaBee Ax's
FireFly Ax's
Spinner / SpinnerBlast Ax's
Pastave / LesserPastel Ax's
QueenBee Ax's
... and many, many more.

I'm not sure that you would ever run out of the potential for more Combo's with those Morphs, but if you did you can always pick up some other CoDom females.

If all that gets boring to you, just throw some other Simple Recessive Mutations into the mix.
Hypo/Ghost x Axanthic (True Ghost)
Albino/Lav. Albino (Snow)
And then there is always Clown, Pied, Genetic Stripe.....
:rolleye2:

DOH! Busted.

I'm behind this year with updating the webpage :( Maybe this weekend!

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

Now if we can just get JD to put some of his hatchlins on his available page ;)

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Oh dear, choices & more choices, males and females! ><

Actually what is holding me back from pouring more money in it is not having bred them before, and im still apprehensive about my ability to with inexperience. I guess thats a pretty good pcourse of action in getting my feet wet .. hmm D: im more informed now but more confused too lol

We work solely with VPI line, and haven't hatched anything yet, but we have the potential to hatch all of the following this year:
Axanthics
Het Axanthics
Possible Het Axanthics
Axanthic Enchis
Enchis Het Axanthic
Enchis Possible Het Axanthic
Axanthic Pinstripes
Pinstripes Het Axanthic
Pinstripes Possible Het Axanthic
Mojaves Het Axanthic
Spiders Het Axanthic
Pastels Het Axanthic
Bumblebees Het Axanthic
True Ghosts
Axanthics Possible Het Hypo

As you can tell, I kind of like Axanthics as well.

Good luck in your future Axanthic projects.

Yes i sure can tell!

Ive seen a few VPI Axanthics online that are up for grabs, but most of them have browned out. I havent actually seen any that still remotely retained their grey silver colors. Is that normal, or is there a more refined strain of VPI axanthics that i should be looking at?