Business ethics question

100% agreed, anything the female produces after she's been purchased belongs to the buyer.
The seller knew that they had put the female with males, so they had to know there was a chance the female was gravid.

I had a hard time getting my pieds and het pieds to breed--tried 2 years with no luck. I decided to sell one of my het pied females. I sold it to a nice lady--she called me like 6 weeks later--Hey--that het pied you said was not gravid laid eggs!!--She had 4 or 5 eggs and ended up with a very pied--as a seller--I was THRILLED for my customer--I thought the whole thing was funny and super ironic-the one I decide to sell has eggs and produces a pied for my customer---she was a really nice lady and I was happy for her. Seller has 0% right to anything at all.

I don't agree with most responses here. Yes the transaction is yours, but it's really about the 'intent' and 'spirit' of the transaction. Did the seller 'intend' on giving you an animal that was gravid? Would the seller have behaved diffrently had they known this information beforehand, yada, yada, yada...

If you go to the bank and cash a check, and the teller gives you too much money, that in and of itself, doesn't allow you to keep it. It would not be the bank's actual intent, and to knowingly take the money and keep it doesn't alleviate you from the fact that you have retained money improperly. - Albiet most would, and banks have tried to collect in these situations, and often win in court. I know this is probably a bad example because of the regulations imposed on banks, violation of public trust and so on, the point is:

I realize that neither of you knew, and you have every right to keep the clutch and move on...I just wanted to share a differing view point. Congrats though:gj:

just my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Muffin's

I don't agree with most responses here. Yes the transaction is yours, but it's really about the 'intent' and 'spirit' of the transaction. Did the seller 'intend' on giving you an animal that was gravid? Would the seller have behaved diffrently had they known this information beforehand, yada, yada, yada...

If you go to the bank and cash a check, and the teller gives you too much money, that in and of itself, doesn't allow you to keep it. It would not be the bank's actual intent, and to knowingly take the money and keep it doesn't alleviate you from the fact that you have retained money improperly. - Albiet most would, and banks have tried to collect in these situations, and often win in court. I know this is probably a bad example because of the regulations imposed on banks, violation of public trust and so on, the point is:

I realize that neither of you knew, and you have every right to keep the clutch and move on...I just wanted to share a differing view point. Congrats though:gj:

just my 2 cents

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that not the same at all, the seller didnt make a mistake and send and extra snake or mean to send a pastel and end up sending a banana. its more like they walked into the bank cashed a check and the teller gave them a misprinted bill thats worth 5 times the face value. do you have to give that bill back too? same thing goes if you sell your house and the buyer remodels and finds an original van gogh stashed between the walls its theirs to keep.

if this happened to me i would offer the seller some of the offspring but i wouldnt feel at all like i had to

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Muffin's

If you go to the bank and cash a check, and the teller gives you too much money, that in and of itself, doesn't allow you to keep it. It would not be the bank's actual intent, and to knowingly take the money and keep it doesn't alleviate you from the fact that you have retained money improperly. - Albiet most would, and banks have tried to collect in these situations, and often win in court. I know this is probably a bad example because of the regulations imposed on banks, violation of public trust and so on, the point is:

I realize that neither of you knew, and you have every right to keep the clutch and move on...I just wanted to share a differing view point. Congrats though:gj:

just my 2 cents

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Thats a totally different scenario thats comparative to theft, the seller knows if he or she has put a male in with the female or not, and then decides to sell the female,

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Muffin's

I don't agree with most responses here. Yes the transaction is yours, but it's really about the 'intent' and 'spirit' of the transaction. Did the seller 'intend' on giving you an animal that was gravid? Would the seller have behaved diffrently had they known this information beforehand, yada, yada, yada...

If you go to the bank and cash a check, and the teller gives you too much money, that in and of itself, doesn't allow you to keep it. It would not be the bank's actual intent, and to knowingly take the money and keep it doesn't alleviate you from the fact that you have retained money improperly. - Albiet most would, and banks have tried to collect in these situations, and often win in court. I know this is probably a bad example because of the regulations imposed on banks, violation of public trust and so on, the point is:

I realize that neither of you knew, and you have every right to keep the clutch and move on...I just wanted to share a differing view point. Congrats though:gj:

just my 2 cents

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Your scenario does not apply at all. When you go into a bank to cash a check you are not buying or selling anything. But lets assume the same person buys a soda with a 10 and gets 18 dollars and change back. Clearly the teller thinks that the buyer paid with a 20. In this case the buyer has at least a moral obligation to alert the clerk to the error. Again this is not whats going on here. The seller and buyer agreed on a price for a female proven breeder. The seller presumably knew the snake might be gravid as the seller must have introduced the snake to a male. My family has always been in the horse racing business. Let me tell you that when you sell a horse that you think is worth one thing and it turns out to be worth a lot lot more, you get nothing but a good reputation. The seller knew the risks of selling, gambled and lost. The buyer got a good deal. Thats it.

Buyer definitely has claims. It's the seller's responsibility to know if they were trying to breed her and she had a sucessful lock ect ect. If they sell her when pregnant it's their loss and the buyers keeps all babies produced.

Of course it is the buyer who owns the snake. But if the seller happened to be a pleasant person to deal with, or is a friend, or the buyer is just feeling nice then why not let the seller have a choice of one of the babies?

Now if I had bought from a very nice seller, or someone I knew, I would offer them a baby or two.

On the flip side, if the seller was a pain to deal with or not a very nice person, I would simply never mention it.

:) I guess this means if you are selling gravid females to me you should be nice! lol!!


But no, the seller is not legally entitled to any of the babies.

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Same thing goes if you sell your house and the buyer remodels and finds an original van gogh stashed between the walls its theirs to keep.

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Actually , something very similar to this happend in the States a few years back, except it was cash instead of a Van Gogh.
The original homeowner found out about it because the new home owner was bragging about finding money in the walls during a reno. Old homeowner confronted new homeowner and tried to work something out (i.e. 50/50)
New homeowner told old homeowner to suck an egg.
Old homeowner took new homeowner to court and....
Got 100%.
Same deal here; as the new owner, be nice. Karma can be cruel, and she will come for you.

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Originally Posted by mykee

Actually , something very similar to this happend in the States a few years back, except it was cash instead of a Van Gogh.
The original homeowner found out about it because the new home owner was bragging about finding money in the walls during a reno. Old homeowner confronted new homeowner and tried to work something out (i.e. 50/50)
New homeowner told old homeowner to suck an egg.
Old homeowner took new homeowner to court and....
Got 100%.
Same deal here; as the new owner, be nice. Karma can be cruel, and she will come for you.

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Wow that is a pretty amazing story. Though it is kind of strange that the old home owner would get to keep 100%. Doesn't really make sense since it isn't their property. Though the new home owner is at fault for openly bragging about what they had found..