Duckbills, Bug Eyes, and Wobbles

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

I think the answer your looking for is this, the bug eye'd lucy and the duck bill cinnys, in no way effect anything. they just look goofy. we call them defects just because their different. imo don't give it 2nd thought

spider woobles, do not effect their quality of life, rumors goes around "i herd from a friend of a friend who knows a breeder that saw one, that couldn't eat because the wooble was soo bad! Don't breed spiders rawwwwr" my point being there hasn't been any proof (that im aware of) that shows a wooble that effects functions needed to live and be healthy. and even if someone post a video of one that cannot function, does that make it bad even if theres 29038493298923 other spider thiving healthy spiders? even some which show close to no signs of wooble at all? And if there is one so bad it can't function, natural selection will take care of it by design.

also about the wooble, we have yet to have any proof that you can breed it out. even if you breed a spider that shows no wooble, the offspring can have a really bad wooble. Kinda like how much white you will get with pieds, you never know how much wooble you will get with spiders. sometimes it doesn't show until later in life, sometimes they outgrow it, sometimes it only during feeding, and some just do it all the time. It will drive you insane trying to figure out how it works lol.

another debate within this subject is people tell me there is no such thing as a no wooble spider.... sorry but I own one. now i cannot speak of her first year of life, since I did not own here then, but since I've owned her, never seen it. mayb she had it earlier in life, I don't know, but she is a no wooble spider now. with that said I know each one of her spider babies has the possiblity of having a bad wooble. I'm not saying she has better genes or something, just she does not wooble, what do you want me to say? she has a wooble but you just can't see it? lol

answer your questions?

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Yep that answers my question

As of this moment, my spider is my best feeder and by some weird contrast she is the most adorable. She is not shy but not crazy either. She is very mellow. I think she has the best personality over all. :D

Super butters produce the bug eyes just like super lessers (because they are the exact same thing).
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Don't forget about Super Woma's aka Perl. They fail to thrive, unless breed lesser woma x woma.

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Wow that's awesome!

Another one for the wishlist... :8:

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Originally Posted by DLoc

Don't forget about Super Woma's aka Perl. They fail to thrive, unless breed lesser woma x woma.

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Beautiful animal, whats there story? Do the lesser woma x woma survive very well or just have a better chance?

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Interestingly, I've never seen a duck-billed super cinny. Anyone care to show a pic of one?

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It's mainly apparent in the supers.

I have a theory that if you breed different lines of cinnamons and black pastels together you are less likely to get duckbills....we'll see in a couple of years iif my theory is correct. :)

The wobbles actually bother me a lot. A friend has a woma female with an extreme wobble, and it's almost painful to watch her move around. If mostspiders are like that, it might keep me from working with bees, because I just can't stand watching it.

But I admit I find the super cinny/black pastel duckbills kind of cute. ;)

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Originally Posted by loonunit

A friend has a woma female with an extreme wobble, and it's almost painful to watch her move around.

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Now that's interesting! I was under the impression that the womas didn't have any neuro issues like spiders do, and that this was one of the "selling points" of the morph (looks kinda like a spider but without the wobble).

Does anyone else have womas that "wobble?" (I know, I know, any snake can "wobble" for a number of reasons, but -- still ...)

PS. Loonunit, I have a spider fem. who is almost breeding size and has never shown any neuro issues at all ... They all manifest the trait differently, and with a few it's severe, but with many it's barely or not at all noticeable. But I've also heard tell that they can start doing it at any point in their lives, so if it's something that bothers you it's totally understandable that you'd want to avoid the morph altogether!