Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
While I am not a big hybrid fan, I must say that they do look interesting. I just do not see the need in breeding them back to either parent species and making 75%ers.
That being said, if you breed a pastel ball to a red blood, you will wind up mutts but roughly half will carry the pastel gene.
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
I saw lots of pics of the burm ball but never once came up with a pic of an albino could you pull up this information again?Also morphs come from breeding stuff like rat snakes x corn snakes because the two snakes are very closely related.When your dealing with a blood python python curtus, and a ball python python regius they are not as closely related meaning that any genetic traits will not be passed onto the offspring.
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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Foschi Exotic Serpents
Im no scientist so thats about as simple as I can put it. You wonder why people are against it? Well look at boa breeders. There are so many different and beautiful localities. Some are endangered and even considered extinct in the wild. The Sabogae boa has not been found on the islands in years. It has been extensivly searched for but its gone. The only remaining population is thought to be whats owned by private owners and breeders. These breeders are trying to preserve this extremely rare bloodline. Im sure many would be very disappointed if it was ever mixed with some other boa.
People are also against it because it goes completely against nature. Look at where these snakes are found. They have different needs. They would never be found in the same place or even on the same continent in real life so why breed them. Many of the offspring are not fertile. Of the ones that are, you begin to lose the hybridization the moment you breed it back to another snake. Unless it is bred to another hybrid.
The whole thing seems a little pointless to me when there are hundreds apon hundreds of beautiful and interesting snakes and morphs out there anyway. Yes I think they are beautiful as I do with any snake but they cost way too much money for no good reason and are a huge waste of time IMO.
I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused to why you have explained it to me why people are against Hybrids, I didn't ask if they were or if they weren't each to their own at the end of the day. All that matter is as long as the reptile is healthy be it a Hybrid or Pure locality, I personally don't mind Hybrids as long as they are advertised being Hybrids and that way its not affecting the gene pool.
I do how ever understand why people are against it because there are people out there which wouldn't make others aware that they are hybrids, I have seen it numerous times with corn snakes and also in the invert world hybridizing spiders is a BIG NO NO which I completely understand.
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jere000
I saw lots of pics of the burm ball but never once came up with a pic of an albino could you pull up this information again?Also morphs come from breeding stuff like rat snakes x corn snakes because the two snakes are very closely related.When your dealing with a blood python python curtus, and a ball python python regius they are not as closely related meaning that any genetic traits will not be passed onto the offspring.
Jere, A simple google search would be appreciated there is a thread on this forum regarding the BurmBall which does show photographs of the Albino BurmBall but to save you looking here's a couple of photographs to show the BurmBall,
http://www.schlangenfrank.de/bilder/...5.07%20002.jpg
http://www.schlangenfrank.de/bilder/...5.07%20007.jpg
http://www.schlangenfrank.de/bilder/...5.07%20005.jpg
http://www.schlangenfrank.de/bilder/...5.07%20003.jpg
Others can also be found here
http://www.schlangenfrank.de/bilder/diashow/index.htm
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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Originally Posted by
Foschi Exotic Serpents
I too like the looks of the superballs but the genetics that control a morphs color would not be passed to a hybrid.
Not true.
Kevin @ NERD has bred Spider Ball x Angolan Python and although they didn't hatch when he cut open the egg he definitely had Spider Angolans in the egg. If you look up his first Reptile Radio interview he talks about it there.
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
i really want to see angolan pythons bred with balls. they are very closely related but have some crazy patterns. now with everything calming down over there, i bet angolans are going to explode in the next 5 yrs. if i were a breeder thats where my money would be going
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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mpkeelee
i really want to see angolan pythons bred with balls. they are very closely related but have some crazy patterns. now with everything calming down over there, i bet angolans are going to explode in the next 5 yrs. if i were a breeder thats where my money would be going
This has been done before. I have seen an F2 axanthic ball x Angolan about 5 years ago. Being that these two pythons are so similar, crossing them gives cause for misrepresentation down the line.
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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Originally Posted by
jere000
Also morphs come from breeding stuff like rat snakes x corn snakes because the two snakes are very closely related.
Not true. Morphs are color or pattern anomalies within a species.
Crossing snakes only creates hybrids, or in the case of closely related species, intergrades.
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
The Jaguar carpet python gene crosses over quite well, at least it did to green tree pythons. Only thing is, what does a pastel red blood look like compared to a normal ball red blood. There seems to be huge variation in hybrid offspring, I'm not sure you would be able to safely say this one has pastel and this one doesn't. I think you would need a slightly more prominent looking morph, pastel just might not cut it for this. Best of luck, I look forward to seeing this cross myself. ~Caylan.S~
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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mpkeelee
i really want to see angolan pythons bred with balls. they are very closely related but have some crazy patterns. now with everything calming down over there, i bet angolans are going to explode in the next 5 yrs. if i were a breeder thats where my money would be going
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/photogallery.html
Go to "Ball Pythons" and click on "Angolan Ball".
Re: Pastel BP x Red Blood
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Tempestas
Can I just ask if the Genetics can not be passed onto Hybrids with Morphs then how come when the BurmBall was created they had an albino in the clutch ?
Also look at other hybrids corns X rat snakes granted they are closely related but still a Hybrid.
Burmball was a double sired clutch. A female albino burm was bred by a male albino burm and a male normal ball python. The albino babies were all from the male burm, the "normal" burmballs were from the ball python. WHether or not the albino gene was passed from the female to produce "het albino burmballs" is still unknown as the burmballs have not been bred successfully (as far as we, the general public, know).
