Selling You Snake Short

Of course they don't have soles... they don't have feet!

Wait, you said souls... nevermind.

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

And how far does this soul searching go? Do lower life forms have souls as well? Flies and mosquitoes? Yeast and yogurt bacteria? How much respect should I give to the souls of all life forms, or should I just appreciate them for what they are and enjoy them as I see fit?

BTW Arsinoe, I have no idea why you're getting so many negative rep hits. I LOVE your posts. Even though they're very troll-like, I find them extremely entertaining. :gj:

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Of course they don't have soles... they don't have feet!

Wait, you said souls... nevermind.

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

And how far does this soul searching go? Do lower life forms have souls as well? Flies and mosquitoes? Yeast and yogurt bacteria? How much respect should I give to the souls of all life forms, or should I just appreciate them for what they are and enjoy them as I see fit?

BTW Arsinoe, I have no idea why you're getting so many negative rep hits. I LOVE your posts. Even though they're very troll-like, I find them extremely entertaining. :gj:

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you got to the point of mice and rats right before i did...

just like humans, snakes have no soul. that is a biased man made subjective delusion. snakes are also not self aware.

science is the measurable. the supernatural is a delusion based on biases and fallible, feeble human mind.

I don't even believe in souls for people.

I do however feel everything that has the right to live. Snake may not feel emotions, but they should be cared for and respected.

My belief could follow Jay_Bunny in terms of how I feel except the souls part.:)

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Snakes do not feel or display emotions
Snakes TOLERATE handling. They do not seek it out.
Snakes can get used to a specific person but that does not mean they actually like or love that person.
Snakes are to be treated with care and respect

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I can see what you're saying if you believe in souls, but following your logic how do you deal with your snake's food? Rats and mice should all have souls, but do you give consideration to their feelings and emotions? Or do you just breed them and use them as food? Do you try to make their life on earth as happy and pleasant as possible before you kill them off? Do you try to bond with them and give them all the love and attention you give your snakes?

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For the record I don't believe in souls. That being said, all life should be treated with respect. Toward that end I do try and make my rodents as happy and pleasant as possible before feeding them off. Whats wrong with that? It takes relatively little effort on my part and its the price I pay to keep a snake in my life. I do not try to bond with them but my partner does and many of my friends do. I explain to her and them that they should try not to get too attached as they are going to be fed off regardless of that bond. Death is part of life. I kill every mosquito that lands on me but I still respect them. I would not want to see them driven from the face of the earth. I care too much about all of the animals that depend on them for food. I also don't want to be covered in bug bites. Its a balance.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

For the record I don't believe in souls. That being said, all life should be treated with respect. Toward that end I do try and make my rodents as happy and pleasant as possible before feeding them off. Whats wrong with that?

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There's nothing wrong with that, and I totally agree. However, most of us breed rats and mice for food. We cut their lives short and are using them as needed. I'm sure my feeder rodents have a much less "enjoyable" life as do their peers that are used as pets. I don't cuddle or bond with them, but I do provide them with plenty of fresh food, water, and a clean home.

My original point was that Arsinoe claimed that most of the people here don't appreciate our snakes because they have souls and feelings. We keep them in small tupperware boxes and don't think about how they feel to live in such appalling conditions. I was just pointing out that her feeder rodents probably aren't living in the best conditions that they could and aren't going to live as wonderful a life that she seems to want for her snakes that have souls.

wait ... Humans have souls? Thats new to me ..............

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Originally Posted by xdeus

There's nothing wrong with that, and I totally agree. However, most of us breed rats and mice for food. We cut their lives short and are using them as needed. I'm sure my feeder rodents have a much less "enjoyable" life as do their peers that are used as pets. I don't cuddle or bond with them, but I do provide them with plenty of fresh food, water, and a clean home.

My original point was that Arsinoe claimed that most of the people here don't appreciate our snakes because they have souls and feelings. We keep them in small tupperware boxes and don't think about how they feel to live in such appalling conditions. I was just pointing out that her feeder rodents probably aren't living in the best conditions that they could and aren't going to live as wonderful a life that she seems to want for her snakes that have souls.

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Agreed. One extra point. Your feeders may have a much less "enjoyable" life when compared to pet mice but your job isn't to find every animal and treat them like Royalty. Your job is to not make things worse. My point is that my feeders have a much better life than the average wild rodent. Wild rodents on average do not live to adult hood. Before anyone disagrees with me. Do the math. All of my rodents live to adult hood or die of natural causes. If I were to kill them before they reach adult age it would be humanly not of disease or starvation.

This should not be in general bp. It is a very poorly founded argument about deity and ultimately does not actually relate to snakes at all.

I believe in souls, but I don't think you are about to win any converts Arsinoe, and I certainly do not agree with your methods.

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Originally Posted by Arsinoe

I see that some here are so hepped up on science and all, concerning snakes that they rule out the SPIRIT/SOUL of the creature. A body is just a vehicle for that soul. As with humans, animals have a soul and the do feel. Despite those who chose to believe such non sense and relegate them to a living automatons that doesn't feel, and only reacts to stimulation and primorial needs

Is that fair to believe that?

In my opinion that kind of belief is just as ignorant and destructive as those who believe snakes are evil and devils and such.

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I don't believe in "souls".