Re: Habitat vs Tupperwear
I havetwo snakes. A corn snake and a bp. Right now they are both in tanks. The corn does great in the tank. However I cant wait to get the bp in a tub. Hesbeen having bad sheds do to trouble keeping it heated and the humidity. Besides he is always in his hide.
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my geckos are in display "habitats"... and my snakes are all in RACKS. not "tupperwear"... RACKS. why? Because they seem content. They eat, shed, poop, etc all in their tubs.
I used to keep snakes in glass display tanks. It was a royal pain in my behind. I could't properly lift and carry those things around to CLEAN them. That is why i eventually got rid of them. The tubs are much easier to clean and sterilize and keep a good, sanitary environment for my animals.
I've yet to have a shed issue with a snake in a tub since i switched to them. You CAN have a great display type cage using a TUB as an enclosure. There is also another option: professionally made caging. I plan on picking up a few good sized cages for my bigger animals when I move.
Not everything is black and white in this hobby, and not everything that works for one keeper will work for another. Some people do great with glass displays, some dont. I was one of the ones that didn't do well with them and now that I've switched i will never be going back to glass for snakes. I'll stick with professional caging and racks.
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Arsinoe
or you dump it in plasticwear for convience sake.
Breeders don't have to reply. That's a whole different thing.
Yup i dumb him in a tupperware for "convience sake" but guess what? Its his convience also.
My humidity always stays at 55-60% temps are always on point. And hes not in some big ass tank that stresses him out. He eats, sheds, poops so he must be happy with it :gj:
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Oh also let me add to this.
They live in like ant mounds correct? How often do u think they come out the ant mound to explore and talk to the animals and play poker?
If i had to guess i would think they find a hole.. Go in it and stay in it until one of a few things happen. They get to hot/cold and need to relocate or they get hungry and need to go LOOK for food. But seeing as we provide them the food i dont see why they would ever really want to just go check things out.
Correct me if im wrong but this is just what iv seen. My bp sits in his hide ALL day. IF he comes out its to go across the tub to the next hide cuz he got too hot maybe? OR to get water. Iv yet to see him out other then them 2 things. And yes i check on him in the middle of the night seeing as i dont goto bed till around 4am
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Even before breeding them I learned very quickly that racks were the best for everyone. I can clean them quickly, and they feel safe, secure and stay healthy.
Sometimes I'll even through in a box for a problem eater if they don't find the racks themselves cave-like enough.
They like it, I like it. I will not put my animals into a stressful environment for the sake of looking nice.
They stay eating all the time, they handle better (since they're not stressed outside of being held), they never have a shed problem, and if I want to see their beauty I just slide the bin out and pick them right up.:gj:
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I started out mine in tanks and went to tubs in a rack. I have one snake that doesn't seem to like it so I will be moving her to a larger tank after the breeding season. Not to metion that display tanks for the common person are "Fish" tanks. They aren't ment for snakes, and don't work very well. Tubs may not be meant for them either but the work way better.
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Arsinoe
I think you all know I hate it when snakes have to live in plastic bins. For those who just have a snake or two I want to make a poll to find out if you made a nice comfy habitat for your snake to live in or you dump it in plasticwear for convience sake.
You know saying things like this isn't going to help you convince people to switch to tanks, it's going to convince people to only answer your negative posts. What happens if you need help with something and no one wants to answer you because you're quite rude?
We don't "dump our snakes in Tupperware for convenience sake", we put our snakes in the habitat that works best for them. Now, whether that's a 55 gallon tank, a 34 qt tub, or a professionally made cage, it's up to the snake. Only an irresponsible pet owner would keep their ball python in an enclosure that they don't feel secure in. You need to get a feel for the individual snake before you come to a conclusion of what will work best.
Re: Habitat vs Tupperwear
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Originally Posted by
Arsinoe
I think you all know I hate it when snakes have to live in plastic bins. For those who just have a snake or two I want to make a poll to find out if you made a nice comfy habitat for your snake to live in or you dump it in plasticwear for convience sake.
Breeders don't have to reply. That's a whole different thing.
For those how use a habitat you can post pictures here too if you want.
This is directed at your other post as well talking about wild snakes having a choice as well but I can't be bothered to go find it. I really am surprised that I waisted enough of my time typing this.
I am curious to know if you actually have a phd in animal psychology or are you just making assumptions here as to what the snake prefers, or even better did your snakes come out and tell you " Arsinoe I cant stand those small scranny tubs I want a nice big open enclosure that allows me to roam and be free and forget the fact that I'm a confined animal in a small enclosure that had no choices in my life, even though I Feel threatened in large open spaces and don't have a large enough brain to recognize the difference between Africa and the bin in my owners bedroom".
Also if its so wrong to put a snake in a tub then why are breeders excluded from your arrogant rant? How many snakes do I need to get before its ok to "dump them in plasticwear for convience"... 15 maybe or how about a nice even 50 that's a nice round even number. Are you planning on forming the "No trashy cheep plastic tubs for lazy owners coalition" are you going to start recruiting members and making laws about how I can handle my pet in my home? As long as the snakes comfortable, eating, crapping and shedding why is it any of your business.
Before I get more irritated about your attitude let me throw in that my Medusa lives in a 64 quart plastic tub. However, I plan on getting more snakes and don't have room to put the 12-15 snakes I'd like to one day own in there own individual tubs so eventually I'll be moving to a "plasticwear for convience" set up. I don't care if you think housing snakes in plastic tubs is wrong. If you don't want to do it then more power to you. But HOW DARE YOU try talking down to someone else and judge them because of the setup they chose for there snake! Maybe if you got off your high horse you'd realize that there are a TON of really good reasons to house BP's in tubs, and just because it doesn't conform to your idea of whats right doesn't make it wrong!
There I've had my angry rant about your attitude and arrogance. I'm done now, I don't want to turn this into a flaming war but seriously! If you want to know how many beginners/single snake owners house there snakes in tubs V habitats then ask that. There is no reason to act superior about it.
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Originally Posted by
David802
If you want to know how many beginners/single snake owners house there snakes in tubs V habitats then ask that. There is no reason to act superior about it.
Best part of that whole speech :gj:
Re: Habitat vs Tupperwear
20 gal tank = 30" long x 12" wide x 10" tall
35qt tub = 24 1/2”L x 17 3/4”W x 7 1/8”H
bps are not climbing snakes so how tall the tank is really not important as long as they can fit comfortably. even if they were a tub is loseing less than 3"
so
20 gal tank = 30" long x 12" wide = 360" sq
35qt tub = 24 1/2”L x 17 3/4”W = 434 7/8" sq
people like to get the clear tubs so everything is equal there
tubs also get water bowls, and hides same as tanks some people even put plants and things in the tubs but lets be honest the snake doesnt care if it has pretty pink flowers to look at you do.
so lets recap here if i keep them in a tank that is 360" sq your fine with that but if i put them in a tub that is 434" sq your not? why not they would have more floor space to move around in. plus its easier to keep tubs right where the snake likes it.
personally if i could find a house with more sq ft that cost less and was easier to keep it climate controlled to the way that i like it i would jump on it in a second.
oh and i couldnt vote cuz i use sterilite not tupperwear:gj:
