pine bedding for substrate

I use the kiln dried pine mixed with wood pellet for my rats. I do not use it for my snakes. There are people that do and always have though.

We have had more then one thread on here go back and forth about pine. It is believed to be toxic but there is no proof or report saying that it is. A danger to any animals that is. It was brought up in another thread that it has never actually been proven be toxic and snake owners and breeder have used it for years.

I don't use it.
Pine personally bothers my sinuses/allergies more than aspen anyway, so I use aspen and newspaper.

If it's properly kiln dried, then it's technically safe for animals. I've used it with rats and mice before with no problems or 'sneezing' that so many claim.

Pine was one of the no's i was told not to do so im not trying it at all.:D

I use pine, but only certain kinds. The stuff I use is kiln dried and is chipped more course than regular bedding. Therefore there is no dust which I believe would be the cause of the RI's and stuff with snakes. If you think about it, wouldn't all of the "toxic" oil be burned or evaporated (or whatever you call it) out of the bedding in the kiln?

Anyway, I havent had any problems yet,and I save money from not buying aspen :gj: double win.