i got a Q for the pros that have an account on here!!!???!!!?!!

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Originally Posted by Andrew24

well then how can the super pastel only have 1 gene????? that makes no sence at all. .if it takes 2 pastel genes which is both one gene ... 1+1=2 LOL...

i really don't get that at all..

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pastel is the het form
super pastel is the homo form of pastel
still just 1 pastel

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Originally Posted by Toronto Python Gurus

pastel is the het form
super pastel is the homo form of pastel
still just 1 pastel

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i understand that lol.. i just don't see how you can have 2 of something and call it one... is it the same with the super lesser.. (BEL) ... would that only be one gene even though it took 2 to make it..

I agree it is confusing. Personally, I would count it as 3 genes, the same way a person that has 2 BPs and one corn has 3 snakes. You don't say they have only 2 snakes just because 2 of them are the same kind.

But, for whatever reason, that isn't the way the BP community does it. They count the killer bee as 2 genes because it has 2 different types of genes. I guess this is because of breeding potential. A killer bee can only pass on 2 genes to its offspring; it can't pass on both copies of the pastel gene.

On the flip side, if you think of how easy it is to produce a snake, having 2 copies of the same gene does make it more difficult to produce, so in that way it would make sense to call a killer bee a 3 gene snake.

Regardless of what makes sense to you or me, just learn to count the different types of genes so you'll be speaking the same language as every one else.

The reason super Pastel is only one gene is because even in a super pastel that's the only gene present..there are simply two copys of it.. think of it like if you have two bags of red marbles and you pour them into one bag you still only have one type of marble, Red. No matter how many are in the bag there is still only one kind. The bag may be bigger and look different but inside you still only have red marbles. By combining you don't get two different types of marbles you simply get more of them in one place..

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Originally Posted by Andrew24

well why is a spider gene considerd to be one and the pastel gene not.. this is confusing.. dang i thought i had all this gene stuff finaly down... lol guess not..

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if I think About what you think let try explain it to You. You can have spider with 2 copy of Spider gene Super form of Spider problem is There is no visible traits in that mutation. (OK maybe after 10 years of breeding this spider to normal and get all spiders for 10 y straight you can tel that you have homozygous form of Spider but without dna test I'll not count on that.) This Mutation we cal Dominant. In Pastel case homozygous for cause change in appearance of Animal. Is stil the same gene but in homozygous form. In Case When Homozygous for is different in appearance that regular (het) we call that mutation Co-Dominant. in Recessive genes History is "almost" the same. We call it recessive because there is no way to tell from look of that animal that it carry the gene (look like wild natural form of that specie). So Super Pastel carry only one gene but in it Homozygous form.

That Give us Killer Bee 2 gene Animal. (homozygous pastel x spider)

Hope that helps.

PS. If i mess up something please correct me Guys!!!

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Originally Posted by kc261

I agree it is confusing. Personally, I would count it as 3 genes, the same way a person that has 2 BPs and one corn has 3 snakes. You don't say they have only 2 snakes just because 2 of them are the same kind.

But, for whatever reason, that isn't the way the BP community does it. They count the killer bee as 2 genes because it has 2 different types of genes. I guess this is because of breeding potential. A killer bee can only pass on 2 genes to its offspring; it can't pass on both copies of the pastel gene.

On the flip side, if you think of how easy it is to produce a snake, having 2 copies of the same gene does make it more difficult to produce, so in that way it would make sense to call a killer bee a 3 gene snake.

Regardless of what makes sense to you or me, just learn to count the different types of genes so you'll be speaking the same language as every one else.

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THANK YOU DUDE!! .. finaly somebody who sees what i am trying to say!... and i guess the way you put it makes sense.. i think ill have to do that and just say it is that way even though it makes no sense and still think the super pastel is 2 genes.. but i guess i can kind of see why they say it is one.. i didn't even think about the killer bee not being able to give both pastel genes to its offspring.. i knew it couldn't but i didn't think of that being the reason why everyone is saying it is one...

if that makes any sense lol

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Originally Posted by Andrew24

i understand that lol.. i just don't see how you can have 2 of something and call it one... is it the same with the super lesser.. (BEL) ... would that only be one gene even though it took 2 to make it..

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so would a clown be two since it takes two hets to make it????
think of it as pastel being a het super pastel

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

The reason super Pastel is only one gene is because even in a super pastel that's the only gene present..there are simply two copys of it.. think of it like if you have two bags of red marbles and you pour them into one bag you still only have one type of marble, Red. No matter how many are in the bag there is still only one kind. The bag may be bigger and look different but inside you still only have red marbles. By combining you don't get two different types of marbles you simply get more of them in one place..

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ok that makes more sense as well i didn't think of it that way...

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Originally Posted by Toronto Python Gurus

so would a clown be two since it takes two hets to make it????
think of it as pastel being a het super pastel

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ha well honeslty dude be4 this convo i would have said a het is one gene and the 2 hets combind to make the gene visual would be 2 genes.. so i would say a clown would be 2 genes.. but that was be4 this convo lol

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Originally Posted by Andrew24

ha well honeslty dude be4 this convo i would have said a het is one gene and the 2 hets combind to make the gene visual would be 2 genes.. so i would say a clown would be 2 genes.. but that was be4 this convo lol

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lol well glad we sorted you out then:gj: