Breeding normals?

Here is the pied that is not my snake.
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/mis...ht=rescue+pied
scroll down.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Well than looking at it this way I think everyone should also stop breeding their single dom and co dom male to normal females as well :rolleyes:

What's next? When Pastels will be in every pet store and on Craigslist should people also stop to breed those :confused:

This is a great hobby and breeding whether it is a high end morph to a normal or a normal to a normal is a great rewarding experience and I don't see why people should refrain from doing it because someone is bothered by it.

Everyone should be entitled to breed what THEY want.

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Im not saying we shouldnt get them, just saying, why breed a animal that is currently everywhere else?
It seems like a bit of overkill ya know?

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

Here is the pied that is not my snake.
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/mis...ht=rescue+pied
scroll down.

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Yes, you proved that there has been a pied in need of rescuing, but out of how many normals...

so out of thousands of normals, there is a pied...

They are out there... but FAR from common.

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I'll agree to stop breeding normal ball pythons when the human race agrees to stop breeding idiots. :rolleyes:

It's not the availablility or genetics of the snake that makes it turn up on craigslist. :colbert:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

:confused:

I'll agree to stop breeding normal ball pythons when the human race agrees to stop breeding idiots. :rolleyes:

It's not the availablility or genetics of the snake that makes it turn up on craigslist. :colbert:


dr del

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LOL I like this post!!

This is a product of the "instant" society we live in today. Many people go into a store, find something to their liking and buy it. Well, not really, they let the bank buy it and they make monthly payments on it. Then they go into a store and their kid sees something they like and they buy it on the credit card. Then they go into a pet store and see a nice little $40 snake, so they buy it. Don't know anything about it, but they like it, so they buy it.

I bet if pet stores didn't accept credit cards, a lot of these purchases would never happen. Work for your money, only spend the money that you have and I bet you become a more informed buyer.

I didn't mean to turn this into a life-lesson post, but buying with your own money is a thing of the past. But I bet it would fix the rehoming issues of today.

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Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by dr del

:confused:

I'll agree to stop breeding normal ball pythons when the human race agrees to stop breeding idiots. :rolleyes:

It's not the availablility or genetics of the snake that makes it turn up on craigslist. :colbert:


dr del

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I compleatly agree with Dr Del on this. Besides if all we breed is the upper end morphs then before too long there will be lots of morphs. That will in turn bring down the the price. Would you rather see a normal for $50 or something like a mojave, pastel or something like that. The way things are now pastels are almost down around that.
Besides by your logic should we stop breeding dogs then to unless its a certin type? I see more posts for dogs then snakes.

I currently plan to purposely breed two normals that I have because they are very well matched reduced pattern animals. I think that is as valid a breeding project as breeding morphs, which I also plan to do. Normals are anyway needed to stop/reduce inbreeding in morphs and I'm not sure that the odd 'normal' produced from breeding co-doms or recessives counts for this purpose as it obviously carries some of the genes in common with the morphs, just not maybe colour influencing ones.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

I compleatly agree with Dr Del on this. Besides if all we breed is the upper end morphs then before too long there will be lots of morphs. That will in turn bring down the the price. Would you rather see a normal for $50 or something like a mojave, pastel or something like that. The way things are now pastels are almost down around that.
Besides by your logic should we stop breeding dogs then to unless its a certin type? I see more posts for dogs then snakes.

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the problem i see is that dogs are a socially acceptable pet. almost everybody that has a pet has a dog or a cat. MOST people, when they hear that i have a snake they'll say "dude, you're so weird".
plus, when you have petstores selling normals for 50 bucks, it becomes a magnet for foolish and irresponsible people. They get the snake and then either the snake dies, or they release it and then they are found and rescued and put up for adoption.
this leads to abandoned animals and the government complaining and wanting to ban our pets because they think ALL snake/reptile owners are wishy washy irresponsible people who let go of their animals as soon as they get tired or can't handle them.

I would like to see all the Major petstores stop selling snakes in general and see people start buying more from private breeders. it helps the economy, plus the quality of the animal is on a whole other level. and, since a breeder will most likely charge more for a snake than a large petstore would (ex: petsmart/i saw a normal ball for $65!) it would become a turn off to the imbecils who think it would be cool to own a snake and then they get rid of it once their fancy dies.

we should be trying to EDUCATE people on the special requirements these animals have. that way we can filter out the FOOLS from the intelligent people willing to dedicate the time and expense to properly raise and take care of these animals.

The reason that there are so many normals is not because people breed them, but because of the huge amount of captive hatched imported every year into the United States. This is why normals go for $5.

I was out shopping recently and I see them for anywhere from 60-85. Most were captive breed normals, but at that price it makes it hard to resist buying on an impulse. I saw the absolutely cutest little 4 month old on sale at one for $80. I almost got em.
I know the major chain stores that get them in dont even know the sex, just a relative age, but the ones I have been to seem to take good care of them. Anyone really serious and not impluse I would think would want to know weight, eating habits, sex, and age before purchasing.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No controversy at all.. I also hate to see them up for adoption. I think however that is due to their relativity inexpensive Pet-Store price. They are cute little impulse buys for many people and when folks figure out they don't just go belly up like a Gold fish after a year or two or die in their sleep like the Pet hamster then pet loose interest and have to get rid of them..

Want to cut down on that if pet stores would stop selling them for 35.00 and ask 100.00 for one you'd see far less of that I'm sure.

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