Why 3 months of quarantine?

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Originally Posted by jjsnakedude

But you could have waited 3 months and mabey there was still a parasite in it and then all your other snakes got it.

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Normally you will find out it has parasites during quarantine. When they have parasites, you will notice their feces is more runny and doesn't look normal and will have a fowl smell. You will sometimes see parasites swimming in water dishes as well, but I'm not sure what types of parasites are large enough to physically see.

If worry about mites on a new snake, why not pam the new enclosure, 3 months from what I read about IBD is not nearly enough, plus you better quarantine your snakes in another building not just another room. It's rumor on the net about one of the morph gods who had a run with IBD. He was moving the BIG money snakes into his new building before the new building was complete. one of his employees stated that he was taking snakes to the dumpster by the boxs loads. The worst part of it, he was still selling as this was happening. He still won't admit to it. My point, if this can happen to him ( don't ask I won't say who it was, research yourself on the net ) and he has snakes that are over 20 K a piece (many).And you know that he quarantines but it still happened . How safe do you feel about 3 months and in the same building? I guess something is better than nothing, but by how much?

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Originally Posted by don15681

If worry about mites on a new snake, why not pam the new enclosure, 3 months from what I read about IBD is not nearly enough, plus you better quarantine your snakes in another building not just another room. It's rumor on the net about one of the morph gods who had a run with IBD. He was moving the BIG money snakes into his new building before the new building was complete. one of his employees stated that he was taking snakes to the dumpster by the boxs loads. The worst part of it, he was still selling as this was happening. He still won't admit to it. My point, if this can happen to him ( don't ask I won't say who it was, research yourself on the net ) and he has snakes that are over 20 K a piece (many).And you know that he quarantines but it still happened . How safe do you feel about 3 months and in the same building? I guess something is better than nothing, but by how much?

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By you not stating who he is after bringing him up in the first place I consider you just as liable of a person as he.
Researching things like that on the internet are not quite so easy. That's one of the main purposes of this website, to provide information for people looking for it. You saying something like this and saying 'don't ask me' is redundant. Don't say anything at all if you're not going to play all the cards to back yourself up, or you just look like a fool.

Quarantine is mostly just to watch for RI's and mites for me, because of who the breeders are that I buy from. If I get a rescue or try a new breeder, it gets an IBD watch instead.

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Originally Posted by don15681

If worry about mites on a new snake, why not pam the new enclosure, 3 months from what I read about IBD is not nearly enough, plus you better quarantine your snakes in another building not just another room. It's rumor on the net about one of the morph gods who had a run with IBD. He was moving the BIG money snakes into his new building before the new building was complete. one of his employees stated that he was taking snakes to the dumpster by the boxs loads. The worst part of it, he was still selling as this was happening. He still won't admit to it. My point, if this can happen to him ( don't ask I won't say who it was, research yourself on the net ) and he has snakes that are over 20 K a piece (many).And you know that he quarantines but it still happened . How safe do you feel about 3 months and in the same building? I guess something is better than nothing, but by how much?

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Most of us live in houses and cant just "Build" a Quarantine house in the backyard. Escpecially when your thirteen and its your parents property. From your post you make it sound like you should have an eternal quarantine or something like that. :weirdface

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Originally Posted by jjsnakedude

Most of us live in houses and cant just "Build" a Quarantine house in the backyard. Escpecially when your thirteen and its your parents property. From your post you make it sound like you should have an eternal quarantine or something like that. :weirdface

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Quarantining in a different room in the house is just fine. Just take certain precautions to avoid spreading anything, and be very sanitized. Don't deal with new arrivals the same day you deal with your established collection, use different tongs, feed them last, clean their tubs AFTER you have cleaned the established collection's tubs, wash hands thoroughly after handling or having contact with anything in the new arrivals' tubs, etc. The list goes on.

IBD is a retro-virus and does not survive well outside the body, transmission appears to be from direct contact with the carriers or their body fluids. Yes, mites are generally responsible for the spread of the desease through entire collections. However the exchange of body fluids from fecal contamination, nasal and salivary secretions along with sex are also contributing factors of the spread of this desease. Because IBD can lie dormant in boas for months or even years. It is evidence that boas are the natural host of this virus and precautions and quarantine are important.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

By you not stating who he is after bringing him up in the first place I consider you just as liable of a person as he. Researching things like that on the internet are not quite so easy. That's one of the main purposes of this website, to provide information for people looking for it. You saying something like this and saying 'don't ask me' is redundant. Don't say anything at all if you're not going to play all the cards to back yourself up, or you just look like a fool.

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Hey, Crystal-ball, CHILL.
NO, obviously Don is not JUST AS LIABLE as a crooked dealer. Are you kidding me? That does not even make sense? Don was explaining the danger of not quarantining with a large collection, and even saying that you really can only trust any breeder so much. Don saying "don't ask me" is certainly not redundant, if you know what that word means. I do not think Don is a fool for not openly ridiculing a large breeding organization from whom he does not want the retribution. I am sure he has his reasons. It makes perfect sense.
Crystal, please please please think more profoundly before you chastise someone. You have made yourself out to seem quite foolish.

Don, thank you for your comments, I thought them to be perfectly suited to the thread.

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Originally Posted by jjsnakedude

I dont get why you have to do 3 months of quarantine from balls to balls. I mean are there any diseases that pop up in 2 1/2 months? I just dont get why you have to do it. I dont think your going to go really healthy for 2 months and then BAM! theres mites or RI or IBD. RI can happen in the established collection too. Im probably going to get bashed but I just want to know.

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I think people do two months because the vast majority of medical issues will be easily caught in that time frame. Two months is not some sort of written in stone rule, it just gives any illness that might not be evident right away time to show physical symptoms. It's really not a question of "BAM" your snake is sick after a couple months, more like, by two months, you should be 99% sure your snake ISN'T sick. By that time you can rule out pretty much any illness in BP's.

At the same time, if you think it's rediculous to do it for two months, and you trust the source of your snake, then you have the right not to quarentine. I won't call the BP police on you. You just run the risk of missing an illness that isn't evident right from the start! Simple as that. If you feel the benefits of adding a BP to your collection right away outweigh the risks, throw him right in.

At the same time, what you say about it not being 100% safe is absolutely true; you can't be sure after only two months that NOTHING is wrong with a snake, and you can't be sure that nothing will get transfered between snakes kept in the same house. But each of us does what we can to give ourselves the BEST odds possible. There will never be a way to quarentine that would protect you 100% (maybe keeping new snakes for a few years, in a seperate facility, run by people who never visited your own facility... etc...) so you do what you can to increase the odds and then take a chance on the rest. Even if general quarentining results in a 99% chance nothing will be passed from new snake to collection, 1% of the time something is going to be missed. Anyways, just my 2 cents on another sleepless night.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

By you not stating who he is after bringing him up in the first place I consider you just as liable of a person as he.
Researching things like that on the internet are not quite so easy. That's one of the main purposes of this website, to provide information for people looking for it. You saying something like this and saying 'don't ask me' is redundant. Don't say anything at all if you're not going to play all the cards to back yourself up, or you just look like a fool.

Quarantine is mostly just to watch for RI's and mites for me, because of who the breeders are that I buy from. If I get a rescue or try a new breeder, it gets an IBD watch instead.

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My reply wasn't to bash a big time breeder. and this reply isn't to bash you. If I received a snake from any breeder big or little with IBD it would be posted who it was. It would of came from the source not hearsay. But reading something on the net you have to take it with a grain of salt. The breeders who was talking about it are trustworthy to the point that it got my attention. And I believed it enough to post. BUT my post wasn't to bash a breeder about something I read, but to make a point that if a huge breeder can get IBD and I'm sure he takes measures to protect the investment in his snakes. quarantine 3 month for IBD in or out of your house, how safe do you feel when you put that snake with the others. Just about anything else your snake could get is treatable, not that you would want to go that route. Mites, URI's, ect... sucks, but my nightmare is IBD.

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Originally Posted by jjsnakedude

But you could have waited 3 months and mabey there was still a parasite in it and then all your other snakes got it.

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but by waiting the three months you have given yourself the best chance of catching the problem.Chuck themtogether immediately and the problem will DEFINATELY be passed on. keep in QT for a few months and most problems should become evident during that time.

We're in the UK and haven't had as many major IBD scares and the like as you guys in the USA but we still QT our snakes for 3-6 (yep SIX) months depending on the species, their source and a few other factors.

By doing this my partner and I give ourselves the best chanceof seeing any issues at all (from the minor upto the major) and therefore give our established collection the best chance of getting no issues. By the time the QT period is over you should be as confident as it is possible ot be that the snake is healthy. 3 months is plenty oftime to be sure your mite treatments are effective (we treat all incoming animals), that the animal eats, sheds and poos ok and that no signs ofparesites are obvious. I know breeders who have blood and fecal tests done on all purchases, we have a vet friend who come with his microscope to help uspoo-check!

Completely ignoring the fact we've got multiple tens of thousands of dollars worth of animals here for the moment (although thats a factor!) we do it because it's our responsibility to our pets to do everything we can do to help prevent any problems getting into our collection.

From your young point of view you're thinking "mites and paresites aren't too bad" From our point of view we have to consider the worst case scenario, if we purchased an animal with, say, IBD I'd want to know trhat there was no chance the problem could have spread to the main collection.

We can't (like you) buildsome species, magical "quarentine facility" like some can but we can still ensure that QT happens away form the main collection (on another floor of the house) and that no people, animals or equipment passes from QT into the main collection.

Mites and internal paresites are the least of a herpers concern, but even the most straight forward case of mites can be deadly to entire collections. IF you buy rom someone with an IBD problem you ma not get an infected animal, you may just get a case of mites carrying the disease, which would spread it faster than any infected snake could alone.

QT is about taking whatever precautions it is possible for your to take in your circumstances there is no right or wrong way,right or wrong length of time. It's just up to you how much you are willing to risk when it comes to your animals health and the safetly of your investment. You don't have to do it, you could just be opening yourself up to a world of problems and the sensible thing to do is to do it.

Sorry if any of this is hard to read,i'm havingmajor problems with my space bar.