An ideal rpetile regualtions

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

I can see regulating larger snakes but our politicians can't regulate imigration on our borders but you want to trust them to regulate house hold pets... That's just insane. Let's lower taxes and downsize our goverent.. Thats what we need to do instead if expanding it's powers.

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Yeah, lets regulate larger snakes! But what is a large snake? Who decides?
Let me ask you, why regulate larger snakes? What is so different about a large snake than a "regular" snake? I think it's already been proven that the snakes that inhabit southern Florida weren't release by their owners, but escaped during hurricanes.

How many government grunts is it going to take to regulate the large snakes? What is the danger of transporting a large snake from one state to another? What purpose will this serve? If I move from Maryland to Montana, who is going to ticket me for the illegal move?

Other than the importation ruling, what part of the new laws will REALLY be enforceable?

Don't give up the fight or you're beaten.
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Yeah, lets regulate larger snakes! But what is a large snake? Who decides?
Let me ask you, why regulate larger snakes? What is so different about a large snake than a "regular" snake? I think it's already been proven that the snakes that inhabit southern Florida weren't release by their owners, but escaped during hurricanes.

How many government grunts is it going to take to regulate the large snakes? What is the danger of transporting a large snake from one state to another? What purpose will this serve? If I move from Maryland to Montana, who is going to ticket me for the illegal move?

Other than the importation ruling, what part of the new laws will REALLY be enforceable?

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EXACTLY.

People say "big snakes need regulation" ...what constitutes a big snake? Blue Beauties get to 11 feet sometimes, but that 11 foot snake is WAY different than the BCI that can get to that same 11 feet but weigh 100x more than the lighter bodied snake.

It isn't the length of a snake that can make it a dangerous animal. Its also weight and body type and no one else except us really even notices the difference between different species of snakes.

I'm completely against regulation because of the reasons listed in this thread.. if you admit you need regulation you've admitted there is a problem.

Should single large snake owners microchip their snakes? Sure. if they want to. My domestic mammal pets are MC'd because its safer for them and me. They are also kept UTD on their shots and vaccines so everyone is safe. If i got a giant (like the olive i want) if there were no adverse effects i'd chip the snake because its SAFER. what if the animal is stolen? What if it escapes--god forbid. The animal can be traced back to its owner but its the DECISION of the owner, NOT of the government.

People that own animals/children/dangerous equipment/guns/dangerous meds etc NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. Education is the key of doing this.

You all missed the point. The government cannot regulate anything right, but a 10 year old should not be allowed to walk into a pet store and buy a Burmese and right now they can. So there is an issue that needs to be dealt with. How do we deal with that issue I do not know but I would not trust the government to do it.

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Originally Posted by nixiefee

10. Animals must have access to adequate water and shelter at all times, and must be fed regularly to maintain proper weight (as listed on animal type standards).

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Bad idea. Animals are like humans, they all don't have a standard weight. There's always going to be animals that deviate from the norm. For example, my mom has a yorkshire terrier that's about 8 pounds. My friends mom also has a yorkshire terrier, but that one is around four pounds. Neither are fat or underweight. They're simply different types. Then there's the issues of mix breeds. They don't have a set weight/size. Sure, some might have characteristics of both parents, but that's only handy if you know who/what the parents are.

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

You all missed the point. The government cannot regulate anything right, but a 10 year old should not be allowed to walk into a pet store and buy a Burmese and right now they can. So there is an issue that needs to be dealt with. How do we deal with that issue I do not know but I would not trust the government to do it.

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The issue is with the seller of the animals though. Pet stores and breeders should absolutely refuse sales to people who
-cant properly care for the animal
-refuse to educate themselves on proper care
-will use for something bad (like animal fighting or something)

etc.

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

You all missed the point. The government cannot regulate anything right, but a 10 year old should not be allowed to walk into a pet store and buy a Burmese and right now they can. So there is an issue that needs to be dealt with. How do we deal with that issue I do not know but I would not trust the government to do it.

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You missed my point. The government shouldn't tell a 10 year old he should not be allowed to walk into a pet store and buy a Burmese, it HIS PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY. Stop trying to get Big Brother to raise my kids. Let me do it. Demand others to be parents, not parental units.

Parents need to parents.
Jim Smith

Pet stores should use common sense when selling to minors but they won't. When your livelyhood is dependant on making a sale you would sell your soul to the devil.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

The issue is with the seller of the animals though. Pet stores and breeders should absolutely refuse sales to people who
-cant properly care for the animal
-refuse to educate themselves on proper care
-will use for something bad (like animal fighting or something)

etc.

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No, I refuse to believe that anyone is responsible for another person's actions. Look, a gun sitting on a table will never kill anyone. Put 2 people sitting at the table and there's where the problems begin. Proper education is the buyer's responsibility. Would you go out and buy your 16 year old NEW driver a Viper or any other fast car? If the buyer asks questiions that leads you to believe they don't know how to take care of that animal, then don't sell him the animal.

How can a seller determine if someone will take care of the animal?
How do you know if someone will use the animal for something bad?

There are plenty of laws on the books right now that address many of the issues we're discussing. You don't need anymore. You don't need a government grunt acting like an expert.

That's my story!
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Pet stores should use common sense when selling to minors but they won't. When your livelyhood is dependant on making a sale you would sell your soul to the devil.

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Again, it's the parents responsibility to raise their kids. Don't let them buy a snake if you don't know enough about the snake to raise it properly. How many 10 year olds really take care of any pet they get? Dog, Cat, Lizard, or Snake, all need mom or dad to hellp take care of it properly.

Jim Smith

After reading the responses, and looking further into it, I do believe that everyone is correct. The rules and regulations that I listed do sound dumb and overly "Big Brother". After thinking about it, I resend what I said :) It is amazing what seeing it from other peoples eyes can do.

Thank You,

Nixie:D