Question about meds for RI

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

This is false. The injection site reactions affect muscle, and injecting diluted Baytril under the skin is the current recommendation.

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Documentations?

I'm currently having a scare that my BP may have an RI, and should be taken in to the vet... I know that most areas have their own pricing, but can anyone give me their averages for how much the Baytril or any other RI medication cost them? So I can prepare myself for it, if need be. My boyfriend and I are in a tight spot right now...

Canada prices will be different from US prices. I sent off 2 lab samples and treatment for $120USD

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Originally Posted by Clear

Documentations?

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Unfortunately, the Veterinary Information Network is a vet-only password-protected site, otherwise I would post links to various discussions there regarding Baytril injection site reactions involving muscle necrosis and mineralization. I can put you in touch with various reptile veterinarians if you don't believe me, just send me a PM. I don't think this phenomenon was included in the 2nd edition of Mader, but I guarantee it will be in the 3rd.

I will have to ask my vet about this Crittervet. He is always more than willing to show me stuff like that.

I respect your opinion on this, but I have to disagree and stand my ground.

I always end up injecting Baytril that is diluted down with Saline.

If I don't get the medication down DEEP into the muscle, I get burns.

I've had em squirm and the meds end up sitting between the skin and muscle, guess what, burns. It causes a nice big ol' lump at the injection site.

This is what works for me and is what I will continue doing.

Again, I will ask him about this or feel free to PM me any information you have about this, I'm always loving the next scientific read! I also respect where your coming from and your background, but I know what Baytril does when given SubQ in my experience, and it was never pretty.

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

Unfortunately, the Veterinary Information Network is a vet-only password-protected site, otherwise I would post links to various discussions there regarding Baytril injection site reactions involving muscle necrosis and mineralization.

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So the only documentations are on a password protected site that the general public cant view? That sounds more like the documents, I mean discussions are vets opinions.

You are right, these are opinions, as there aren't any statistics to base the recommendations on. The thing is, this phenomenon has only recently been recognized, and no one has done an official study to publish in any scientific journals yet. What you have are adverse effect reports, which are given to Bayer and shared among colleagues (on websites, during meetings, and through consultations). The reasoning behind the recommendation for subQ injection is that an injection site reaction happening at the surface is much easier to recognize early, easier to treat, and less likely to cause debilitating damage.

The original statement, "Most of the scaring from baytril is because it wasnt injected into the meat but under the skin," is just wrong. Scarring happens when the animal has a reaction to the drug -- whether in the subcutaneous tissues or the muscles -- leading to necrosis which (hopefully) heals eventually resulting in a scar. The point I'm trying to get across is that no matter where you inject the drug, or how perfect your technique is, you still are at risk of having a reaction.

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Originally Posted by Moofins07

I'm currently having a scare that my BP may have an RI, and should be taken in to the vet... I know that most areas have their own pricing, but can anyone give me their averages for how much the Baytril or any other RI medication cost them? So I can prepare myself for it, if need be. My boyfriend and I are in a tight spot right now...

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I'm currently having my male treated with Fortaz (as everyone else has said it's a wide-spectrum antibiotic and the reason my vet gave it to me is that aside from the fact that it works a bit better with reptiles is that it is also only injected once every 3 days rather than doing it everyday with the baytril he would have prescribed.) Fortaz is more expensive (in my area) than baytril is.

My total bill came out to $291.00. That's... minus 150 for both snakes check-up (brought my female in for a just-in-case check up) and 115 for the culture so... it came out to be around $36 minus tax for 3 injections. Fortaz is priced per injection so it's about 10-12 per.

Hope this helps!

edit: forgot to add that it is usually a treatment of a month or longer. so it might be around 10 injections or so so prepare yourself for at least 110/120 for all the injections plus whatever the checkup and culture cost is.

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

You are right, these are opinions, as there aren't any statistics to base the recommendations on. The thing is, this phenomenon has only recently been recognized, and no one has done an official study to publish in any scientific journals yet. What you have are adverse effect reports, which are given to Bayer and shared among colleagues (on websites, during meetings, and through consultations). The reasoning behind the recommendation for subQ injection is that an injection site reaction happening at the surface is much easier to recognize early, easier to treat, and less likely to cause debilitating damage.

The original statement, "Most of the scaring from baytril is because it wasnt injected into the meat but under the skin," is just wrong. Scarring happens when the animal has a reaction to the drug -- whether in the subcutaneous tissues or the muscles -- leading to necrosis which (hopefully) heals eventually resulting in a scar. The point I'm trying to get across is that no matter where you inject the drug, or how perfect your technique is, you still are at risk of having a reaction.

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Reading not a strong point? Most is a big word in my statement.

Actually, I am quite advanced in reading, as well as in etiquette and civil, intelligent discussion. In fact, my reading comprehension skills tell me that "most" is a minor contributor to that statement, included only to cover the fact that few things in the world are 100%. Indeed, if the writer of the sentence did not believe that scarring was a result of SQ injection and not IM, I believe the sentence would not have been written in the first place.