balls at their best!! ''LESSER & LEMONS''.....

Very beautiful snakes! I'm really loving that lesser!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

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I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Beautiful animals! Your lemon looks more Graziani to me though, than lemon. Lemons tend to be more stark black with less blushing and crazier patterns - the Graziani's have more brown tones and more blushing with patterns more like your kiddo!

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This is why i say a pastel is a pastel !

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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have you seen my before answer to rabernet with the pics of the father and grandpa?, like i said, these are 100.000% nerd lemon pastels, the person who bred these even wrote a book that is in stores, he knows what hes doing and what he's working with, he also breds graziani pastels, i bought this couple cause they looked very different for a lemon pastel, with the busy pattern and the many and big blushings, i will show and post some more pics of the little sisters and brothers, and a other clutch from the same father later on...;)

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

This is why i say a pastel is a pastel !

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like i said, ive seen many lemons with blushing, and many grazianis without blushings, lemons should have better coloration with aging, but ive seen graziani's that will putt a lemon to shame, both lines have many similarities....

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I have to agree with rabernet. That looks very much like a Graziani -which isn't bad at all. :)

Have a look at some lemon pastels at NERD: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

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do you see much differences?, some of the pastels in the link also have the needfull blushing going on, the breeder saw this thread to and also emailed me that they are 100% lemon pastels, he also contacted the breeder he has them from years before, and again, 100% lemon pastel bought from mike willbanks, the sisters and brothers of my couple had the more typical pattern and less blushing where you and rabernet are talking about, pics will follow...

as promised some pics of some youngsters of the same ''lemon pastel'' father
the last one is from the same clutch as my couple, so rabernet and ouroboros take a look again, cause some of them look exactly the same as the lemons shown in the link to the page of nerd, and i have to say that its also not wise to use one example of a breeder for the whole line(in this case N.E.R.D), cause not all lemons are exactly the same.....;)


photo credits: ton v mersel....
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel2.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel3.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel4.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...onvmersel5.jpg

i just been on your website robin and saw youre ''lemon'' pastels, strange thing is that they arent that different of my couple, and i saw that they also have enough blushing, sure they aint ''graziani's???........

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Originally Posted by jp-reptiles

i just been on your website robin and saw youre ''lemon'' pastels, strange thing is that they arent that different of my couple, and i saw that they also have enough blushing, sure they aint ''graziani's???........

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Yes, I'm quite sure that mine are not Graziani's because I can trace mine back just two generations to NERD, where the father of my male was acquired directly from their lemon line.

I'm not certain why you are so fixated on my opinion though? If you can trace yours all the way back to an original NERD lemon then that's all that matters! :gj:

I simply stated my opinion that the pattern and blushing of yours more resembles the Graziani line (as well as the more orange coloration of yours vs most lemons).

Since you've seen my site, you can see that mine are more brightly yellow and black tones with more extremely blushed heads, rather than orange and brown tones like the examples that you've posted.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...DSC_0160-1.jpg

If you know for a fact that your are lemons, then my opinion really shouldn't matter! :gj:

yes im sure that my couple are lemons robin, and yep mine are somewhat darker then yours, but they are also younger, you also know what some sheds and growing up can do, the reason i got a little bit irritated is cause someone is labeling my lemons as beeing something else while this isnt the case, dont get me wrong, im not mad at all bro, just wanted the discussion to go further, its interesting, heres another pic of the female wich shows that her head is also very blushed out.....;)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eelding768.jpg

and again, the father and the grandpa, could you label these as ''graziani's???......

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ptiles/OPA.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...iles/VADER.jpg