Bee x Bee

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Exactly my point;) Who knows though, BHB I think is the one who may or may not have a super pinstripe, but I have not heard any updates yet on that.

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A super Pin would be a great animal to have around! Does anyone know anything more about this? Or is it an elusive myth like the Super spider thats is out there somewhere..?

Right now it's only speculation, I've yet to come across a thread where someone definitely bred spider x spider more than once with consistent/telling results. It's a project I intend to persue if only to better understand it.

I thought killer bees were super pastel X bumblebee?

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Originally Posted by Jenn

I thought killer bees were super pastel X bumblebee?

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Killer Bee is a Super Pastel Spider.

The SIMPLEST way it can be produced is: Bumble Bee (Pastel Spider) x Pastel.

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Originally Posted by cornball252

Correct it is a lethal gene that we know so far.

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Where did you actually see this proven? I've read a ton of stuff and its all speculation, not proven fact.

Got ya. Thanks.

Its never going to be "fact" that spider is lethal because unlike the pearl (super woma) or super jag carpet python, it doesn't hatch and die after, it dies before (or so we think). its just accepted because so when spider gene first came out, naturally you would see if it had a super form, after so many breedings people never had a super or a proven homozygous spider. so we can only assume. Go ahead and try it, if you have different results let us know and prove the world wrong.

as for the pin, its proven it has a homozygous form, but it looks exactly the same. so you breed a pin to a pin and you would get 25% normal 50% het pin 25% homozygous pin. but you can't tell the pins apart, so i would assume everyone would call them 33% homozygous pins or you could call them 66% hets also, but i think 33% homo sounds better lol. never seen them marketed tho.

Quick 'n' Dirty Punnet Square:

3/16 killer bee.
6/16 bee.
3/16 spider.
1/16 super pastel.
2/16 pastel.
1/16 normal.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Its never going to be "fact" that spider is lethal because unlike the pearl (super woma) or super jag carpet python, it doesn't hatch and die after, it dies before (or so we think). its just accepted because so when spider gene first came out, naturally you would see if it had a super form, after so many breedings people never had a super or a proven homozygous spider. so we can only assume. Go ahead and try it, if you have different results let us know and prove the world wrong.

as for the pin, its proven it has a homozygous form, but it looks exactly the same. so you breed a pin to a pin and you would get 25% normal 50% het pin 25% homozygous pin. but you can't tell the pins apart, so i would assume everyone would call them 33% homozygous pins or you could call them 66% hets also, but i think 33% homo sounds better lol. never seen them marketed tho.

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You are saying that a norm can be het for pin? Has it been done where a assumed normal het pin has been bred to another normal and produced a pin?

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

You are saying that a norm can be het for pin? Has it been done where a assumed normal het pin has been bred to another normal and produced a pin?

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No....his turn of phrase "het pin" means that a typical pinstripe animal with one pin gene and one normal gene on that allele. The term "heterozygous" means that the allele has one morph gene and one normal...whether that causes a visual morph or not. The term "het" is usually used for recessive morphs, but can apply to dominant/co-dominate animals as well.