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I love Black Eyed Lucies, infact I prefer them over Blues. But I believe it's because Black Eyed Lucies are a "Dead End" combo. Basically after you've made a Black Eyed Lucy you would only be able to breed that animal to other snakes as a Super. Now this may not seem like a bad thing but if you bred a Firefly to a Firefly and got a BLKEL then there is no way you would know if that animal is a Pastel BLKEL or even a Super Pastel BLKEL without breeding it out, which requires time, money, and most importantly: patience.

I personally have no issue with that but I'm sure there are people that see that as more trouble than it's worth.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Now this may not seem like a bad thing but if you bred a Firefly to a Firefly and got a BLKEL then there is no way you would know if that animal is a Pastel BLKEL or even a Super Pastel BLKEL without breeding it out, which requires time, money, and most importantly: patience.

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... Or maybe that would be a green-eyed lucy ... O.o (How cool would that be?)

Thanks for the replies, all. I wonder if maybe they'll start to become more common in the next few years ... I like them a lot, at least as much as the blue ELs.

I will be working in the next few years at getting both. I prefer the Blk, but my OL brefers the Blu. I will be working woth MojavexMojave, and FirexFire. The Blk will take a little longer as I do not even have one yet, and I already have 2 Mojave growing like weeds as we speak.

I think Mojaves have been affordable for a longer period of time, when compared to Fires. I would say more people have had a chance to buy and let a female Mojave mature, vs. those that have Fire females or Sulfur females.

By a show of hands, who has Mojaves, and who has a Het Black Eyed Lucy? Which did you buy first, do you have a female? I would bet more people bought Mojaves or Lessers before Het Black Eyed Lucies, and I would bet fewer people have female ADULT Sulfurs or Fires.

Plus, you can combine the Het Blue Eyed Lucies, have a Mojave, and a Lesser, one male and one female. That is more fun than buying a male and female of the same morph.

Dave

I have a 09 Male Fire and a '09 Female Mojave, I got them only a month apart, that said I also have a '07 Lesser Male.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Maybe more than 1 now! ;)

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thought sulfur was proven? so it'd be 2

I think the deciding factor for me is that I love the really clean white snakes, but if I have to get color on one, I'd much rather have the purple blushing of the Blue-Eyeds than that god-awful yellow spotting that shows up on some of the Black-Eyeds.

somebody should play around with the lucy's and do black to blue and make a gray eyed!! Or one black eye one blue eye! That could look pretty exotic. Anyone tried fire lesser x fire lesser? what if that worked.... haha just a random thought

Eric did Sulfur Mojave x Sulfur Mojave and got blue and black eyed Lucies. The Lucies he produced, if I remember correctly, were Blue eyed, Black Eyed with splotches, and clean black eyed. So, the black eyed could be Mojave black eyed, and the blue eyed, could be Sulfur Blue eyed....

Dave

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I think Mojaves have been affordable for a longer period of time, when compared to Fires. I would say more people have had a chance to buy and let a female Mojave mature, vs. those that have Fire females or Sulfur females.

By a show of hands, who has Mojaves, and who has a Het Black Eyed Lucy? Which did you buy first, do you have a female? I would bet more people bought Mojaves or Lessers before Het Black Eyed Lucies, and I would bet fewer people have female ADULT Sulfurs or Fires.

Plus, you can combine the Het Blue Eyed Lucies, have a Mojave, and a Lesser, one male and one female. That is more fun than buying a male and female of the same morph.

Dave

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I totally agree with the affordability of making blue eyed as opposed to making black eyeds. It is only recently that fire females are affordable for most. I can't wait to breed my female this year and get some black eyeds.(fingers crossed)