ok I'm a bit confused. Yellow Belly..Spector..Superstripe WHAT!

Huh. I guess that's different than what I heard. #1 I heard is true. But my discussions about SS have been that SS to normal = spectors and ybs? I have heard that the spectors are hard to pick out....maybe some have been confused for normals?

Hopefully there are a handful of SS to ivory breedings that would shed some light on the debacle. I know Bruce Delles of TCR has that breeding in the works for this coming season.

I'm hoping a super spector is in the cards.....would really make the breeding possibilities cooler imo :)

Genetics keep things interesting for sure!

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Originally Posted by AaronP

The only confusing part of the Superstripe is:

#1. A Superstripe CANNOT reproduce itself.
#2. Superstripe x Normal = Yellowbellies, Spectors/whirlwinds, and NORMALS!

Trey Barnard (mxrider42) and I had an extensive conversation with Tom Carlton about Super Stripes and those were the 2 points we mainly talked about.

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This makes me think that YB and spector are not on the same allelle but maybe a gene combination? But if that was the case, they would be able to reproduce themselves... Wow... This goes against everything I've learned about genetics....?

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Thats waht I thought at first was an incomplete dominance, and I'm still thinking that in a sence. a kind of incomplete dominance combined with muted genes. make sence?

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Originally Posted by nixer

oh sure blame me, its always nixers fault!:rofl::rofl::rofl:
yes the superstripe is a yellowbelly spector
superstripe x superstripe would give you superstripes, yb , ivory, spectors, and normal

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yup alll your falt nixer :P :D
the superstripe x superstripe would also produce super spector, yes?
And has that cross been done that you know of? If so do you know if any slugs were produced in the clutch

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Originally Posted by AaronP

The only confusing part of the Superstripe is:

#1. A Superstripe CANNOT reproduce itself.
#2. Superstripe x Normal = Yellowbellies, Spectors/whirlwinds, and NORMALS!

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Would those normals produced from the superstripe x normal be het. for superstripe?

I'd like to see what a spector crossed with Ben Siegel's Graphite ball or the orangebelly that helped produce it.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I don't think it's anything like that, I think there is simply more to the genetics of ball pythons than we think. If anything think about how many "Not genetic" mutations that are out there that may in fact be genetic but they just don't carry the "Genetic code" needed to recreate themselves without a 3rd party gene.

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So basically what you are saying is.....The more we breed normal looking offspring the more we are gonig to find?

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#2. Superstripe x Normal = Yellowbellies, Spectors/whirlwinds, and NORMALS!

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If that's the case then they aren't allelic to each other. As you'd have a yb and spector copy on the locus on each chromosome. So all off spring would be either yb or spector, which if you're correct, is not the case.

This is bizarre if what you say is really true.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

#1. A Superstripe CANNOT reproduce itself.
#2. Superstripe x Normal = Yellowbellies, Spectors/whirlwinds, and NORMALS!

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I would assume #1 and #2(specifically the part about normals) would be contradictory.

I know Tom Carlton breed a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly and produced a normal (Check Clutch 2). It is a very crazy combo and we should be learning a lot in the near future (if people let out the info)!
Trey

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Originally Posted by mxrider42

I know Tom Carlton breed a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly and produced a normal (Check Clutch 2). It is a very crazy combo and we should be learning a lot in the near future (if people let out the info)!
Trey

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Did he prove it out to be a normal? I'd bet it would be a spector. Did he also get Yb, Superstripes, and Ivorys in that cross?

Edit: rxrider i just saw the link there and check. Interesting clutch.

I saw that. Confusing for sure. There are two breedings of SS to YB that he had and he got one ivory and no SS. I guess you can miss being it's only 1 in 4 odds and with that few eggs quite possible to miss....but would have been helpful to see a SS somewhere in there to see things happening how you'd think?

Fun fun. :)

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Originally Posted by mxrider42

I know Tom Carlton breed a Super Stripe to Yellow Belly and produced a normal (Check Clutch 2). It is a very crazy combo and we should be learning a lot in the near future (if people let out the info)!
Trey

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I saw that. Confusing for sure. There are two breedings of SS to YB that he had and he got one ivory and no SS. I guess you can miss being it's only 1 in 4 odds and with that few eggs quite possible to miss....but would have been helpful to see a SS somewhere in there to see things happening how you'd think?

Fun fun. :)

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Exactly. I hope to see more of this combo and it's counterpart crosses to.

Fun fun for sure... thats why I want to get into breeding bps.

One would assume that if it were a normal double co-dom that a SS x Normal would yield 25% Spector 25% YB and 50% Normal....

What is leading everyone to assume that no normals are possible from that pairing? :confused:

Is it because no Super Spector has been created so it is presumably Dominant?