a little confused on leucistics

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

most firexfire breedings ive seen have yellow spots, sure theres nice pure white ones but i think their in the minority, but if you want black eyes, i don't think you got a choice.

as far as blue eyes go, id say just stay away from mojaves and you got a good chance of pure white snakes.

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I'm the opposite-I've seen several jaw-dropping, pure white black-eyed lucys, but every blue-eyed I see seems to have some washes of pigmentation somewhere on it. So my guess is that overall the proportions of pigmented leucistics is about equal between the black and blue eyed types-but I don't think you can beat the iNTENSITY of the white on a good black-eyed leucy (see above snake)....

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3231.jpg

Above is the Extreme Paradox Super Sulfur

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3193.jpg

Same Super

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3187.jpg

Same snake

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2863.jpg

Above snake is a Super Mojave that might be a Sulfur Super Mojave.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2857.jpg

Same Super Mojave


So, if you want a white snake with a purple head, go Mojave x Mojave, if you want a cleaner Blue Eyed Lucy, you might try Lesser x Mojave or Lesser x Lesser, or a combo of Lesser, Mojave, Butter, with a Russo. If you want a Black Eyed Lucy, you only have one option, Het Black Eyed Lucies from the Fire line, Sulfur, or Flame line. I think the amount of orange and yellow on the Black Eyed Lucy will vary just like the amount of white on a Pied varies. Flip of the coin I guess. I personally like the blotches on the Super Sulfurs, but clean Super Sulfurs have been produced too.

What Flame Line?

I do not know for sure, so do not quote me, but someone said Amir has his own line of Het Black Eyed Lucy, called the Flame.

Dave

my jaw just dropped! the 3rd picture of the Extreme Paradox Super Sulfur is just SO adorable!

Yeah like everyone else is saying, Mojave's will make lucy's but they are usually "dirty" Lucy's.. Not as white as you can make.. Plus the eyes are not quite as bright blue. Which is why im getting a BEL from a Russo Het x Lesser combo & a Butter female. Putting these 2 together (depending on clutch size) i have good odds of getting clean white BEL's, Butters, Russo's, & Lesser's. It will be an exciting clutch since the anticipation of whats in those eggs will kill me!

Try to stay away from Mojave if you really want a clean pure white snake. But they do make other nice combos like Mojave Pastels (Pastave) Mojave Lessers etc..

I guess what all this comes down to is:

Look at the luecistics produced by the lines you are breeding, almost every BEL combination has been explored, go find pictures of each and decide what you like the best and go for that. I'm a fan of super fires and lessers, others are fans of other things. If you want a super mojave, buy mojaves, if you want a Russo Lesser, then breed them.

well we are attending the BCRC show and sale on the 26th. i'm really hoping to see some BEL's in person. even the best photographer can never really do a snake justice, and a photo of a snake can be rather different than what it actually looks like in real life. so i'm hoping to see a few examples of each and then decide. i think the BF wants to get a pair of yellowbellies regardless, and i think he wants a lesser platinum female and a mojave male. but who knows!

PS a random question, does lesser ALWAYS mean lesser platinum? or is there such a thing as lesser pastels, etc? i get a little confused by this.

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Originally Posted by katia

well we are attending the BCRC show and sale on the 26th. i'm really hoping to see some BEL's in person. even the best photographer can never really do a snake justice, and a photo of a snake can be rather different than what it actually looks like in real life. so i'm hoping to see a few examples of each and then decide. i think the BF wants to get a pair of yellowbellies regardless, and i think he wants a lesser platinum female and a mojave male. but who knows!

PS a random question, does lesser ALWAYS mean lesser platinum? or is there such a thing as lesser pastels, etc? i get a little confused by this.

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A lesser pastel would be a lesser platinum pastel, it has the two morphs involved. Like a Fire Pastel or a Het Ghost Lesser, or... well you get the idea.

okay well i guess what i'm asking is what definines a lesser; what does lesser mean? is it a visual (phenotypical is the word, i believe) thing? when most people say "oh i just picked up a pair of lessers" they most likely mean platinums, right?