Yea Yea, 'Another' cage/setup question

Ya I would take out the half log hide since you have two similar hides. Keep in mind that the cardboard hides would need to be replaced often.

He does seem to already sleep alot. the most he does when he comes out is look around a little, (comes out about 1/4 to 1/3 of his body) go to his water dish, then slide back in his hide.

I would plan on changing the cardboard ones to a more durable material later, they are more of a temp solutions while im trying to get everything else dialed in.

thanks about the "double back" tip. i think ive seen him do this on his cool hide, but it just lifted up.

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He does seem to already sleep alot. the most he does when he comes out is look around a little, (comes out about 1/4 to 1/3 of his body) go to his water dish, then slide back in his hide.

I would plan on changing the cardboard ones to a more durable material later, they are more of a temp solutions while im trying to get everything else dialed in.

thanks about the "double back" tip. i think ive seen him do this on his cool hide, but it just lifted up.

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Ball pythons hide most of the time during the day since they are nocturnal. You will mainly see your snake slither around at night :]. The odd thing is that my boa never really comes out at night. When she does she just goes under the substrate, but when she does come out only 1/3 of her body sticks out and she just sits there.

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2- I recommend getting a thermostat. They are great at controlling the temps and keeping them at a stable temp. If you do get a thermostat, I recommend setting it at 92F.

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What would be the recommended setup for the thermostat? Would it be able to operate both the heat lamp and the UTH? Would it be a good idea to set the lamp up on a timer so that it is not on during the night to aid in the day/ night cycle? Also the placement of the probe? Im assuming would be in the "warm hide" correct? or between the glass and UTH under the tank? (like i said, I hear many differnt things.

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4- Providing a day and night cicle for him would be best. When the light outside shine in through my window, normally it shines through all of the snake tanks. I suggest keeping the light on for 12 hours and off for 12 hours. When it's off for 12 hours, I recommend turning on the UTH.

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This also may seem like a lame question, but it is a concern of mine. When it is night time and the lights are out in the room, (no heat lamp either) if you had to walk into the room and turn the light on, would this startle or "confuse" the BPs day/night? And would he later get used to this happening and it not bother him?

Much Thanks

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What would be the recommended setup for the thermostat? Would it be able to operate both the heat lamp and the UTH? Would it be a good idea to set the lamp up on a timer so that it is not on during the night to aid in the day/ night cycle? Also the placement of the probe? Im assuming would be in the "warm hide" correct? or between the glass and UTH under the tank? (like i said, I hear many differnt things.

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Yes, it would be able to control both the lamp and the UTH. You can set the lamp on a timer if you wanted to, but you could just turn it off yourself but a timer would be good because it would be more accurate with timing. The best place to place the probe would be under the substrate right on top of where the middle of the UTH is.

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This also may seem like a lame question, but it is a concern of mine. When it is night time and the lights are out in the room, (no heat lamp either) if you had to walk into the room and turn the light on, would this startle or "confuse" the BPs day/night? And would he later get used to this happening and it not bother him?

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It would mess up the day and night cycle too much. You can keep it on, and the snake wouldn't come out until a while after the light is turned off. My snakes get used to it, and know when it's time to come out. I don't leave my room lamp on for long though because I don't normally need it if I'm watching tv lol.

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What would be the recommended setup for the thermostat? Would it be able to operate both the heat lamp and the UTH?

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It depends on a few factors - if you are using an on/ off thermostat the light turning on and off is likely to do your head in as well as shorten the life of the bulb.

Proportional thermostats can be used on bulbs just fine but if you can get the temps right with only the UTH it would probably be better. I would try that first once you have looked at the tank treatments like foil on the top and insulating the sides and back on the tank.

A lot of our advice will vary depending on how stable your room temperatures are though.

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Would it be a good idea to set the lamp up on a timer so that it is not on during the night to aid in the day/ night cycle? Also the placement of the probe? Im assuming would be in the "warm hide" correct? or between the glass and UTH under the tank? (like i said, I hear many differnt things.

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If you are using a red light to provide the temps then no turning it off is not a good idea - they really don't need a change in temps between night and day unless you are conditioning them for breeding and possibly not even then. :)

If it is a white light however then yes it needs to be turned off to give a day night cycle (though to be honest most of the time the ambient room light from windows etc will do that perfectly well ) as leaving a white light burning 24/7 could be stressful.

On the probe question;

Thermostat probes should go between the UTH and the bottom of the tank to stop the snake messing on it/ with it which could cause it to overheat the tank and burn/ kill the animal inside.

Thermometer probes should be placed under the substrate inside the warm end hide to make sure that doesn't get above 95f and then moved to the top of the substrate inside the hide to check the temps are at around 90-94f (usually done by adjusting the depth/ type of the substrate ) and after that can be put inside the cool end hide to make sure that is around 80-83f.

After that the themometer can be placed in the warm end hide again just so you can check nothing is going wrong. :)

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This also may seem like a lame question, but it is a concern of mine. When it is night time and the lights are out in the room, (no heat lamp either) if you had to walk into the room and turn the light on, would this startle or "confuse" the BPs day/night? And would he later get used to this happening and it not bother him?

Much Thanks

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They tend to get surprised and scoot back in their hides if they are out but it doesn't mess up their day/ night cycle or anything that I have noticed. :gj:

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Yes, it would be able to control both the lamp and the UTH. You can set the lamp on a timer if you wanted to, but you could just turn it off yourself but a timer would be good because it would be more accurate with timing. The best place to place the probe would be under the substrate right on top of where the middle of the UTH is.

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See above. :)

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It would mess up the day and night cycle too much. You can keep it on, and the snake wouldn't come out until a while after the light is turned off. My snakes get used to it, and know when it's time to come out. I don't leave my room lamp on for long though because I don't normally need it if I'm watching tv lol.

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I don't think he was talking about it being on for hours at a time - just for a visit to the room.


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