My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by rabernet

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But on another thread, you agreed with me when I showed MKR clowns vs. EBN clowns that MKR clowns were not even close in quality?



The only reason that I can see someone would choose MKR is based on price only. Joe may be super nice on the phone when talking sales - that's his job. But his behavior on the BOI and that of Steve (Ghost) here and on BOI don't cast a good light on MKR and as Joe as much as said - they will sell less than anyone - that inlcudes YOU when you start selling the offspring.

I like to remember for myself - you are the company you keep. If MKR continues to antagonize other breeders, their peers, so that no one wants to do any trades or sell them snakes - do you really want to be a vocal supporter of them and be associated with them? And when people ask the genetics of your snakes that you are selling, are you going to proudly proclaim MKR when, like it or not - there are a LOT of people who have decided that they will not support MKR's actions and likewise, will not purchase known MKR stock offspring?

I'm THRILLED that you guys are happy with your transaction, but other than pricing, I can't see why anyone would want to be associated with them. They are rude and abrasive, not someone I'd want to be associated with.

But that's just me, and I'll still respect you, and I'll still celebrate with you when you hatch your first animals, but I doubt I'd buy from you or trade with you (you being anyone who is buying MKR these days). Like Jhall said - it's not personal, it's business. I want only the best stock I can get, and I don't consider mass breeding without consideration for selective breeding to be the best stock.

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yes but clowns are only one morph.If I want one, I would buy from EBN. MKR makes much more than clowns. Have you seen pics of their bumblebees?? Amazing.

Great post Vaughn. :gj:

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Originally Posted by bpkid

yes but clowns are only one morph.If I want one, I would buy from EBN. MKR makes much more than clowns. Have you seen pics of their bumblebees?? Amazing.

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I do not agree that the quality of their morphs are superior to other, more reputable breeders out there. Did you forget about NERD, who were the ones who first created bumblebees?

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I do not agree that the quality of their morphs are superior to other, more reputable breeders out there. Did you forget about NERD, who were the ones who first created bumblebees?

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And have you seen Adam's bumblebees? :tongue2:

Two of the nicest examples of the morph I've ever seen!

But in answer to your question BPkid - I see pictures as in their collection - but none for sale, so I can't comment on what they are offering for sale. But the ones that are part of their personal collection are nice looking (but Adam's are nicer! LOL)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

And have you seen Adam's bumblebees? :tongue2:

Two of the nicest examples of the morph I've ever seen!

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Held both of them in my hands...good thing I brought a change of shorts!

link? I dont see bumblebees on adams site.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

And just a few more questions that I am curious about

Why do you publicly state that you are going to put small time breeders out of business?

Why do you keep making references to you being a car salesman? Car salesman have one thing on their mind...$$$ How many can I sell this month?

Why do you refer to your snakes as "products"?

Why have you publicly stated that you are out to crash the ball python AND now the gecko market?

Why are no prices listed on your web site?

Why were you kicked off KingSnake?

Why do you keep telling everyone how much money you've made? and how big you are? That should be your customer’s job.

Every day I listen to the radio, every commercial break has a car commercial. Every car dealership claims to be the biggest, the best, have the best deal, find a deal and they'll beat it. What is the purpose? Sales and making money. One of my best friends is an ex car salesman and he said he got out of the business a long time ago because people in that business will run over you and not think twice about what they're doing. It's a money driven industry, and now you're bringing your car salesman techniques to the ball python world and it is not cute. "299 down! 299 a month for 4 months! that's unbelievable!!!!" It really isn't.

Joe maybe you do have good snakes....or perhaps I should say Wes does. After all, you are the middle man in the business...Wes raises the snakes (as you said in the video), and you sell them to the customer (making you the middle man). But the fact is you have an ego that completely disgusts me. All the references to you being a business man, you being the biggest and the best, you selling $750,000 worth of snakes in 15 weeks...all that crap bothers me.

Joe, I don't think this industry needs someone like you. The snakes sell themselves.

I'm new to the ball python world. I've never once bred a pair of snakes. I am one of the "little guys" that you are out to sell snakes to at a cheap price so they can get started, and then turn right around and cut the price in half of the snake you just sold me.

Know this. I will never do business with you Joe. Snakes are NOT cars! Based on your video, your comments on other threads, and your comments on this forum, I think your only motive in this industry is money. Will I pay extra for the same snake from a different breeder? You better believe I will. I will always take my business to someone who has a moral obligation to my hobby.

I have formed my opinion on you and your business based on your own words, not others words. It is nice to know that I am not the only one who sees straight through your shallow sales tactics. There is another thread on this forum that asks if anyone would do business with you….the results are (as of right now) 55% of the people would NOT do business with you. Think about that for a second…OVER half of the people who voted will NOT do business with you!! You have given a lot of people multiple reasons to not do business with you…And that is an old thread…it was started before you and your employee Steve screwed yourselves over. There are a lot of people on this board, as well as other boards that despise you and your ethics and tactics. If I were in your position, I would zip my pants up and stop pissing into the wind.

Sell your snakes and not yourself. My business is going elsewhere. I’ll gladly pay more than what you think it’s worth. It’s not all about money to me.

You might claim to be the biggest and the best and have the most sales Joe, but in the back of your mind you also have to remember that you’re also the most hated.

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I couldnt of said it better myself! (i bet he dosnt answer any of these questions)

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Originally Posted by Slithers

link? I dont see bumblebees on adams site.

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We're special. He posted em here... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=36429

thx Christie. :)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/5/3/derr.gif

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I'd just like to point out that this animated gif moves perfectly in time to INXS 'Devil Inside'.

Coincidence? ;) :P