King of Dinkers update...

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Originally Posted by T&C Exotics

What exactly do you mean here? a dinker is an unproven animal and once proven is considered a genetic mutation aka morph.

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I meant that since it's looking very likely that this will prove out to be a genetic mutation that it needs a morph name and was curious if there were any ideas about what that would be at this point.

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Originally Posted by T&C Exotics

if you find the original thread, which I am unable to do at this moment due to lack of time, you would see the original pairing. also you would know that the genes that were involved in the pairing would make it impossible to produce this animal.

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I think what he is asking is, is this a simple 1 gene recessive animal? Is it a combo, possible being influenced by the pastel or special genes as well. We at least know it has mojave in it since one of the parents was a super mojo. What would the gene look like when isolated?

So let's say the op named the new recessive gene "monster". The original dinker would be AT LEAST monster mojave, but also possible be monster mojave special or monster mojave special pastel.

Is this a 2, 3 or 4 gene animal were seeing?

That's gonna be the fun part of this while experiment. Isolating the new gene
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Instead of quoting everyone I'll just try and answer all the questions here. If I miss yours please feel free to follow up.

This all started when I was building a group to produce Crystals and Crystal combos. The Dinker was created from a Pastel Special x Super Mojave breeding. I produced three Crystals and the Dinker. I also had a few other clutches fathered by the Pastel Special and kept them all as my knowledge of the adults made me think they could be related so I've been thinking recessive from the beginning. None of the siblings or half siblings look unusual.

The Dinker has produced 14 babies for me so far and those babies all look typical except the one that I'll call Dinker 2.0 for now. There are three ways that I thought this could be genetic so I tried to prove/disprove each this season and even though it's only been three clutches I feel pretty confident that it's recessive. Also, the original Dinker has Mojave in him and before this season possibly Pastel. It can't have Special in him or else he would be a Crystal. Out of 14 babies he hasn't produced one Pastel so at this point it looks like he is a Mojave plus the new gene. I can also reasonably rule out dominant unless I had horrible odds and went 1 for 14. In addition, since it came from the Crystal line I thought maybe it's a gene that needs to be combined with Mojave to reproduce itself. I produced 10 Mojaves or Phantoms that all look typical so I can pretty reasonably rule that out as well. The Dinker 2.0 came from breeding him back to the original Super Mojave.

I didn't breed him to any Normals as I wanted to use virgins so I can be 100% confident that there was no sperm retention from prior breedings. I simply didn't have any Normal virgins. Since his mother was a Super Mojave and I was after Crystals a lot of the half siblings are Mojaves or Mojave combos. I do have some that will be ready next year, and a few are pastels and a spider so hopefully I can isolate the gene next season.

Here is the photo of Dinker 2.0...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...nker%202.0.jpg

Thanks for clarifying all that I appreciate it. Yes I could have gone back and read everything and looked for other posts but I am lazy. I figure you would be proud and want to talk about your snake and wouldn't mind. Funny how everyone else who is completely uninvolved is more annoyed than the person I posed the questions to. Lol don't get upset guys, no reason to be jealous just face facts it has nothing to do with you guys so what do you care. Getting annoyed with me does not make you 'involved' it just makes you look like jerks. I joined the conversation late and didn't feel like reading 18 pages so sue me. But again thanks for all the clarification Dave.

Thanks Dave for the recap!
I'm so sorry the baby didn't make it. It was beautiful.
Can't wait to see what next year holds!

Dave, thank you for the courage to share. Our hearts go out to you.

Thank you for sharing, Dave, it's really fascinating. I'm so sorry about losing the baby. I hope you have better luck next year! Please keep us updated!

I'm gutted that he didn't make it. :tears: I've been following this thread for a while now and was really hoping you would have better luck proving it out, though it does seem like it's recessive after all. Good luck in the next breeding season getting a few more answers.

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Originally Posted by gtrdeath87

Thanks for clarifying all that I appreciate it. Yes I could have gone back and read everything and looked for other posts but I am lazy. I figure you would be proud and want to talk about your snake and wouldn't mind. Funny how everyone else who is completely uninvolved is more annoyed than the person I posed the questions to. Lol don't get upset guys, no reason to be jealous just face facts it has nothing to do with you guys so what do you care. Getting annoyed with me does not make you 'involved' it just makes you look like jerks. I joined the conversation late and didn't feel like reading 18 pages so sue me. But again thanks for all the clarification Dave.

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I'm really sorry if I came off rude and hope you accept my apology. I replied without thinking of what I was saying or how it came out. your question was a good one and I should have either not replied to you or waited until I had time to direct you to the info.

No worries

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