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Originally Posted by aviBallBids

Hi everyone!
I'm sorry for taking so long to respond to your posts! I'm sure you can imagine how backed up we've been with today's fiasco!

Anyway, I read through all of your threads, and I'd like to go through a few major topics that I see being mentioned over and over again:

1) Quarantine: I confused the previous question about quarantine with general housing. For that, I apologize. The truth is that we don't have a proper quarantine set up, but it hasn't been an issue until this point because all of our snakes have been with us for about a month now, none of which are showing signs of health problems. However, we will have a proper quarantine set up in no time. As I mentioned earlier, we have the necessary supplies to build several more hatchling racks, which we will separate from our primary snake room and use as a quarantine.

2) Warranty, Live Delivery, Health, and Genetic guarantees: Our terms and conditions make several references to items that we "intend" to include in the future, such as tanks, heat pads, thermostats, etc., which is why you see items being referred to as "it". in general, the terms and conditions are only meant to provide us with legal protection, but I'm prepared to make necessary changes as you all see fit.

I'll begin by making necessary provisions that guarantee free return shipping and the exchange of live animals, in the case that you are unhappy with the snake you receive, live delivery, good health, and published genetics. Please, let me know if I missed anything.

3) Our backgrounds: It's true that I've only been involved, hands-on, with this trade for several weeks, but I'm primarily the tech/web guy, so, although it remains important, it's not AS important as it would be if I was a dedicated breeder. I depend on Zack's knowledge and experience, and although he may not be the most experienced breeder or snake handler around, he certainly knows enough to get us where we need to be and to keep our snakes in good health.

Also, we're both from South Florida, but we now live in Louisville, Kentucky. Zack's been up here for about 3 years, and I just recently moved up a little more than 2 weeks ago. And no, the website wasn't thrown together in 2 weeks time. It was built and modified multiple times over the last 6 months. It was only because of our impending launch date that I finally moved up to KY. Is there anything I'm leaving out?

4) Banner advertising: It's become very obvious that our banner ads need to be modified so that there is no confusion as to whether or not we have already auctioned off several snakes. As of now, all of our display ads on google have been paused, and I'll be crafting some new ones shortly, none of which will imply that any auctions have been "sold".

5) Multiple account registrations: This is actually my fault, as I told Zack to register a new account under the name zackBallBids, that way it was clear who and what he represented in his responses. I wasn't aware of his multiple account registrations, but that doesn't excuse him from the fact that he did what he did. The new account has been banned, which is a reasonable penalty. This will not happen again.

6) Constrictors Unlimited: Mike Wilbanks is not affiliated with us, and naming him as our "supplier" could have made him look bad, something I did not expect. Instead, I should have only mentioned that we purchased our snakes from him, and that's all. i apologize for creating any confusion, and I intend to post disclaimers on all of our live animal auctions from here on out.

7) Server crash: I've been doing a whole lot of advertising over the last two days, but I had no clue how far my efforts would reach. On day 1 we had about 2500 visitors. Today, on day 2, our dedicated server was completely overwhelmed, even after we made modifications. It became obvious that the server wouldn't survive the last few minutes of the auctions, so I tried to extend them by 1 hour to give us time to work things out. Being in such a chaotic atmosphere, I accidentally added an extra day to each auction, instead of an hour. Because of the server load time, it took me a while just to go back and modify the auction end time again so that it reflected the extra hour instead of the extra day. This is why you see users mentioning one or the other, or both.

I've been catching up with emails and live support requests since all of that happened, so I apologize again for taking so long to respond to this thread. And please, let me know if there is anything I left out.

-Avi =)

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Zack give it up you have been exposed as a fraud and your running around in circles trying to recover.ITS OVER! Sorry if your other half(probably your girlfriend again) still thinks anyone that has any common sense is falling for your load of crap you wrote here.Yea your depending on your experiance with ball pythons :rofl:.You dont have the knowledge to care for a knat let alone a ball python.My suggestion for you just go away and dont come back because YOU WILL BE EXPOSED yet again if you try anything ever again.

don took care of most of what I was thinking about after reading the updates.

one question lingers though, aside from the discrepancy in avi's statements regarding refunds from the server-crashing auction: who, if anyone, actually won last night?

this business model should fade away entirely, and should not have been appropriated to sell any live animals in the first place.

avi, I have two big dogs. Those two dogs are pretty good sized, they eat a lot. When they poop it is in LARGE piles.

Those LARGE piles are minuscule compared to the piles you keep leaving everywhere you post.

What I'm alluding to here, and we ALL know you're good at alluding to illusions, so I'm sure that you'll understand this and be able to dumb it down enough so that your partner will also understand, is that YOU are full of crap. Top to bottom, side to side, in and out, crap crap crap.

Anyone who trusts you or your dimwitted partner is either a newb, a fool, or too greedy to see what a load you're selling.

Your web skills may be great, but your lack of integrity and general stupidity in thinking that we'll fall for your continued excuses for your blatant attempts to delude us are glaring examples of much of what is wrong not just with this industry but greedy bastards the world over.

YOU may not know it, your less than intelligent partner does, but this crapfest you've hurled all over the reptile webworld is going to stain your backside for the rest of forever. Some of us have really long memories and you've obviously pissed Joe off enough that he's going to make a point of hound dogging you two pillars of the community until either you're gone or he's dead. Have fun with that. He's just the first up. You've got a line of folks behind him watching in case he misses something.

Obviously you're not as stupid as zack, few are, so maybe you should consider moving on to something else, you know, something that won't make you look so damn stupid and money grubbing. Maybe you could run for congress.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Maybe you could run for congress.

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Folks please see post 68 here on this link.I think ole Zach has blocked me from seeing it lol. http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...388#post671388

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Folks please see post 68 here on this link.I think ole Zach has blocked me from seeing it lol. http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...388#post671388

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Yeah I saw it, and he looks like a tool! I registered on his page to see everything, I cant believe this guy. I checked out a thread started by him on here last year, and he is a complete baby, getting mad at everyone for talking to him like he is a "beginner". He had four big mistakes in his original post about heat pads, keeping 4 snakes in a tank, changing between heat pads and lamps. This makes Ben's facebook auctions look like the Barrett-Jacksons of the herp community!

My wife and I were looking at his site last night. It's all a lottery system.

I spend, say $90, to buy bids. Say I bid on a snake I really want. I dump all those bids into that snake. Someone else wins, I'm out $90. I might as well flush that down the toilet instead. OR, I can set that aside and put it to the purchase of the same snake I really wanted from a reputable breeder, who will and can stand behind the quality of the snake, thus insuring my continued business with that breeder. Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which choice is the best one.

And I agree, support your local breeder. :gj::salute:

Wouldn't you have to have a business license to do this? If so that should be public record. Also if they do have a license they can be reported to BBB and to the internet fraud department.

Honestly this was the longest thread I have read to date, and it was totally worth it. I am now late to work but way worth it.

On one note I called the number on their site and Avi answered the phone.

It surprises me that there isn't some government agency that goes around and does investigations and shuts stuff like this down. Another black mark on the industry.

I LOVED some of your comments though, like the one about the company being like Titanic only the Titanic got underway before it tanked. Had to give some love to that comment since t got none and I laughed so hard when I read it.

Anyway hope these criminals are dealt with soon.

Here's what I feel like is really going on:

1. The site appears to have been thrown together by somebody with very little patience, let alone knowledge regarding marketing or website construction. The odds that the person behind the site will pay any attention to the health of the animals or the satisfaction of the customer are slim to none.

2. If the website creator really cared about anything other than making a quick buck, more attention would have been paid to details like how the timer would behave, whether the website would be able to handle the traffic, and whether the terms of service were written by Best Buy. Once the money is in his pocket, he's going to be gone.

3. The site is likely set up in such a way that the timer will repeatedly reset if a certain profit has not been attained. To bidders watching the auction, it would appear as though other users are bidding, causing the timer to reset. This process would continue until a certain amount of money has been accrued. I highly doubt that it's an accident, or the fault of the 'server'. It's probably intentional, and extremely sloppy programming.

So in conclusion, I am absolutely not going to give this person any of my money. The fact that one individual person might get away with a morph for pennies on the dollar does not justify the means that it took to make it happen. IF anybody gets the snake cheap, it means that hundreds of others spent heaps of money in exchange for NOTHING. Hundreds of people get ripped off while one person is pleased with themselves for being a jackass and lining the pockets of a scumbag. In the meantime we are COLLECTIVELY shat on. The whole community.

It DOES matter to me that his practices are impatient, sloppy, underhanded and dishonest. I do not want somebody like this to make any money at the expense of weak-willed people and innocent animals.

could this be reported here https://trustsealinfo.verisign.com/s...ds.com&lang=en
or does it have nothing to do with the matter at hand?
thanks
spooky