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I’ve considered that too. That’s partially why I’m open to the idea of swinging doors instead of sliding. If anything becomes available within a decent driving distance of me I’m willing to give it a shot.


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Hey,

I'm grabbing at straws here so I'll add this suggestion/idea/thought.

I'm wondering IF, its the design of the cage for her that gives her a spot to push and get to traction. Maybe you should try to find a used Boaphile or Pro-Line or Vision cage and just try it. Sure its a waste of money of it doesn't work, but may end up worth it if it does.

I'm at a loss, other than building your own custom cage, I can't come up with anything.

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My big boa used to push at the end corners on the Proline and being the corners and stuff arent rounded and smoothed like AP cages, she somehow managed to cut her nose. That's not to say that the AP cage isnt for some weird reason making her push though.

But yeah, i agree, that is so weird why she is constantly pushing.

I asked Garrett Hartle about it and he wonders if feeding her so much when she pushes has her “trained wrong”. That’s coming from a guy that only feeds some of his adult SDs 15-18 meals a year though. Not sure how he manages that. I probably did just feed her a bit heavily right out of the gate but I was just going by Cody’s recommendation in the SD care thread on here. Who knows. Freezer will be here Thursday then I can order a ton of whatever she wants to eat and call it done. Just worried she’s gonna turn into the fattest snake ever


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I asked Garrett Hartle about it and he wonders if feeding her so much when she pushes has her “trained wrong”. That’s coming from a guy that only feeds some of his adult SDs 15-18 meals a year though. Not sure how he manages that. I probably did just feed her a bit heavily right out of the gate but I was just going by Cody’s recommendation in the SD care thread on here. Who knows. Freezer will be here Thursday then I can order a ton of whatever she wants to eat and call it done. Just worried she’s gonna turn into the fattest snake ever


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"Tonight on my 600lb snake......."

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I agree, you have to back down on the feeding. I'm hoping somehow in the cooler months you can make a seasonal change that forces her back into natural SD migratory feeding cycle.

I was reading an article on diamond pythons that discussed overfeeding, and inadequate temperature changes. Granted that species is completely different in many ways. I know the evolutional/history of the dwarf populations. They are supposed to feed less and eat smaller prey items. During the migrations, they certainly will eat more, but even still Mother Nature doesn't make it easy.

I know it solves the pushing issue for a short time, but is likely starting to add up internally. It is a very frustrating situation that I wish I could help you with.

A buddy of mine talked to Garrett for an hour yesterday and holds him in high regard. He maybe on to something in mentioning your girl could be conditioned to push and then receive food.

Too bad they don't make those embarrassing "cones of shame" that we put on dogs with licking problems, for snakes LOL!

She's driving you nuts, and that's the opposite of what we want from this hobby . Grrrrrrrr!!!

How's she doing?

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Day four. Smashing face again. Hasn’t even pooped yet. I just don’t get it. Just left a message with the closest exotics vet near me, which is 3.5hrs away.


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Day four. Smashing face again. Hasn’t even pooped yet. I just don’t get it. Just left a message with the closest exotics vet near me, which is 3.5hrs away.


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If it was me (keep in mind I don't know much) I'd temp an enclosure. Go buy 3 or 4 4x8 sheets of junk particle board Pyle wood. Frame up a make shift big enclosure 8'by 3' or 4' high. Toss in his glass fronts from the t25 with just mirror mounts. Line the heck out of it with paper towels or puppy mats and see how she does. Obviously it won't last more than a week see how she does. If she doesn't push in a monster cage you know the route you need to go. She pushes then keep investigating. Won't cost more than $30.

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If it was me (keep in mind I don't know much) I'd temp an enclosure. Go buy 3 or 4 4x8 sheets of junk particle board Pyle wood. Frame up a make shift big enclosure 8'by 3' or 4' high. Toss in his glass fronts from the t25 with just mirror mounts. Line the heck out of it with paper towels or puppy mats and see how she does. Obviously it won't last more than a week see how she does. If she doesn't push in a monster cage you know the route you need to go. She pushes then keep investigating. Won't cost more than $30.

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Her* damn I do it all the time.

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If it was me (keep in mind I don't know much) I'd temp an enclosure. Go buy 3 or 4 4x8 sheets of junk particle board Pyle wood. Frame up a make shift big enclosure 8'by 3' or 4' high. Toss in his glass fronts from the t25 with just mirror mounts. Line the heck out of it with paper towels or puppy mats and see how she does. Obviously it won't last more than a week see how she does. If she doesn't push in a monster cage you know the route you need to go. She pushes then keep investigating. Won't cost more than $30.

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I like the thinking here, I just can’t get an 8’ piece of anything in that room unless it’s modular, much less get it in my car. The air vents in the apt drop the ceiling to 7’ in the hall and it’s a VERY tight turn to get to the snake room. It was a close squeeze trying to get her t25 in there


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I like the thinking here, I just can’t get an 8’ piece of anything in that room unless it’s modular, much less get it in my car. The air vents in the apt drop the ceiling to 7’ in the hall and it’s a VERY tight turn to get to the snake room. It was a close squeeze trying to get her t25 in there


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Have home depot cut them down to for free. Piece them together to a monster 8'enclosure. Only need it to work for a little bit to see if the enclosure is the cause. 2x4 to join the pieces together if you have too.

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Have home depot cut them down to for free. Piece them together to a monster 8'enclosure. Only need it to work for a little bit to see if the enclosure is the cause. 2x4 to join the pieces together if you have too.

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Only have Lowe’s here, last I checked their panel saw is still down. Has been for months. Closest Home Depot is like an hour and a half away. FML


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Only have Lowe’s here, last I checked their panel saw is still down. Has been for months. Closest Home Depot is like an hour and a half away. FML


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Just need to play the system. Get a battery powered circular saw ($40 for a no name brand). Go home, charge the battery, go back a few days later, but the wood, cut it in the parking lot (use the 2x4 as a straight edge). Go home and build it. Blow off the saw and put it back in the box. Return it and tell them it didn't work right and they will credit your debit / credit card. I do that with odd size wrenches I need when working on the camaro.

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Just need to play the system. Get a battery powered circular saw ($40 for a no name brand). Go home, charge the battery, go back a few days later, but the wood, cut it in the parking lot (use the 2x4 as a straight edge). Go home and build it. Blow off the saw and put it back in the box. Return it and tell them it didn't work right and they will credit your debit / credit card. I do that with odd size wrenches I need when working on the camaro.

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Yeah... we’ll see. That might be a lot of hassle just to piss off my neighbors and landlord with building a giant crate in my apt.


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Yeah... we’ll see. That might be a lot of hassle just to piss off my neighbors and landlord with building a giant crate in my apt.


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Just tell them it's a coffin. Hahaha

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Yeah... we’ll see. That might be a lot of hassle just to piss off my neighbors and landlord with building a giant crate in my apt.


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Does your landlord know you have the retics?

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Does your landlord know you have the retics?

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She knows I’ve got reptiles. Didn’t ask me any more questions than that. I’m seriously about to sell this animal. Came back home to a complete poop smeared cage and snake who has now torn a hole in the front of her gums only 4 days after eating. I hate this anymore


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She knows I’ve got reptiles. Didn’t ask me any more questions than that. I’m seriously about to sell this animal. Came back home to a complete poop smeared cage and snake who has now torn a hole in the front of her gums only 4 days after eating. I hate this anymore


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Sorry dude.

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I hate your going through this. I almost say send her my way and let me figure it out and then send back to you. Truth is she just might want to be free. Snake proof the bathroom and leave her in there a couple of days and you will know if she just wants a larger space to live in. Is free and easy enough to do. If you decide to send her my way just PM me and we'll figure it out. Please keep in mind it will only be temporary and you will eventually get her back because I don't want to keep her I want you to have her.

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I hate your going through this. I almost say send her my way and let me figure it out and then send back to you. Truth is she just might want to be free. Snake proof the bathroom and leave her in there a couple of days and you will know if she just wants a larger space to live in. Is free and easy enough to do. If you decide to send her my way just PM me and we'll figure it out. Please keep in mind it will only be temporary and you will eventually get her back because I don't want to keep her I want you to have her.

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Not free when you rent and the animal smears poop in the walls or tears light fixtures from the walls (deposits), or easy enough when I need to use that bathroom daily to shower and such. Ever tried to poop in the same bathroom that is inhabited by a 10’ 25lb snake? Me either and I don’t plan to make that part of a morning routine.
No offense, but if I haven’t figured it out over the last year+ of tearing my hair out trying every possible solution then I don’t have great confidence in you being able to stop her pushing. Additionally I’m pretty sure she’s too big for FedEx and would have to be shipped delta dash if she ever leaves her home here.


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I wish you well. So sorry you having struggles. Was just trying to help.

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Not free when you rent and the animal smears poop in the walls or tears ligh fixtures from the walls (deposits), or easy enough when I need to use that bathroom daily to shower and such.
No offense, but if I haven’t figured it out over the last year+ of tearing my hair out trying every possible solution then I don’t have great confidence in you being able to stop her pushing. Additionally I’m pretty sure she’s to big for FedEx and would have to be shipped delta dash if she ever leaves her home here.


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I wish you well. So sorry you having struggles. Was just trying to help.

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I know, this is just the product of over a year of frustration coming to a head. I just need to try a few more things before deciding whether or not the relationship between me and this animal is fair to either of us anymore. It’s causing me undue stress and frustration and it’s not her fault that I can’t figure out what she needs.


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Have you tried offering her a boy?

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That’s the only thing I haven’t tried aside from a room sized cage or feeding her a 4lb meal. Real close to tossing Gerald in her cage and see what happens


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You have a be prepared if things go sideways if she rejected him. If you do it be smart about it and keep an eye on him. Never breed relics before but might be what she is looking for.

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She knows I’ve got reptiles. Didn’t ask me any more questions than that. I’m seriously about to sell this animal. Came back home to a complete poop smeared cage and snake who has now torn a hole in the front of her gums only 4 days after eating. I hate this anymore


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Man that sucks. The poop smear part isnt too big of deal. I've had Rosey ho poocaso on her cage before too. Not quite sure how she managed to get poop on the ceiling as well lol. The hole in her gum part though sucks. You honestly have a lot more patience than i do.

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Man that sucks. The poop smear part isnt too big of deal. I've had Rosey ho poocaso on her cage before too. Not quite sure how she managed to get poop on the ceiling as well lol. The hole in her gum part though sucks. You honestly have a lot more patience than i do.

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Yeah the poo painting I can deal with. The incessant face destruction though has me about to throw in the towel. She went from being the most amazing animal I’ve ever kept to an absolute nightmare. I just wish I could do something for her to make her happy.


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Dude, I’m super sorry to hear about this.

I’m bummed out. Keep us posted. Wonder if you could place her and get discount or exchange on a smaller SD.

Hope it turns around but you have done a lot so you don’t need to feel like you failed

Keep your chin up. Sending good vibes and hoping she just quits pushing.

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Dude, I’m super sorry to hear about this.

I’m bummed out. Keep us posted. Wonder if you could place her and get discount or exchange on a smaller SD.

Hope it turns around but you have done a lot so you don’t need to feel like you failed

Keep your chin up. Sending good vibes and hoping she just quits pushing.

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Thanks man. So sad to watch something you’ve raised for over two years completely destroying itself. Left a couple messages with the two closest exotic vets I can find that are 3.5 and 4 hours from me. We’ll see if they can get her in. I’d really hate to have to give her up but this is currently an unsustainable keeping experience for both of us.


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Thanks man. So sad to watch something you’ve raised for over two years completely destroying itself. Left a couple messages with the two closest exotic vets I can find that are 3.5 and 4 hours from me. We’ll see if they can get her in. I’d really hate to have to give her up but this is currently an unsustainable keeping experience for both of us.


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You speak well and from a standpoint of reason.

I see you wanting the best for you, (not constantly stressed) and for the snake, (not destroying herself).

I am holding out hope but no matter how things end up i'm confident your decision will be the right one.

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You speak well and from a standpoint of reason.

I see you wanting the best for you, (not constantly stressed) and for the snake, (not destroying herself).

I am holding out hope but no matter how things end up i'm confident your decision will be the right one.

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Thank you brother. I want her to stay here more than anything. Aside from the pushing she’s an absolute gentle giant. Even had a two year old neighbor kid playing with her a couple months ago and she was a total sweetheart with him.
Drawing up cut plans for an 8’x3’x2’ birch plywood cage in 4’ sections right now. Not a cheap build but would be less than half the cost of buying a comparable manufactured cage. Hesitant to jump the gun on that just yet but I also know that if Lowe’s has their panel saw in order I could build that cage in a couple days or so. That’s the biggest I can build and still manage to move it into or out of the room if needed.
Also backtracked the pushing records... this all started two years ago in October. The majority of the time I’ve had her.


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Thank you brother. I want her to stay here more than anything. Aside from the pushing she’s an absolute gentle giant. Even had a two year old neighbor kid playing with her a couple months ago and she was a total sweetheart with him.
Drawing up cut plans for an 8’x3’x2’ birch plywood cage in 4’ sections right now. Not a cheap build but would be less than half the cost of buying a comparable manufactured cage. Hesitant to jump the gun on that just yet but I also know that if Lowe’s has their panel saw in order I could build that cage in a couple days or so. That’s the biggest I can build and still manage to move it into or out of the room if needed.
Also backtracked the pushing records... this all started two years ago in October. The majority of the time I’ve had her.


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I think eventually you'll get it figured out.

The "handy" part of you is big!

I am sure you'll skillfully design something that works!

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The "handy" part of you is big!

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Good god let’s hope so...
Priced materials for the build. Woof it’s gonna be pricey at that size. Probably $400 for everything if I use birch. Little under $300 if I use melamine but don’t want to go that route with all the time that will be invested. Could also stay at 18” tall and then only need two sheets of wood vs 3. I think she wants the height though. We’ll see. Just trying to keep my options open


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Good god let’s hope so...
Priced materials for the build. Woof it’s gonna be pricey at that size. Probably $400 for everything if I use birch. Little under $300 if I use melamine but don’t want to go that route with all the time that will be invested. Could also stay at 18” tall and then only need two sheets of wood vs 3. I think she wants the height though. We’ll see. Just trying to keep my options open


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What are you doing / plans for the doors?

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If I actually build this thing then I’m probably going to buy some E shaped door tracks like AP uses and then cut some 1/4” thick acrylic sliding doors. Part of me wants to make framed swinging doors though. That would of course add to cost and complication of the build.
Basically this design but deeper, taller, in two 4’ sections, and with some nicer materials
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R35OoE8unc8


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Go at least 2 feet tall, taller if you can. Its hard to say, maybe a 7 foot wide by 3 deep and 3 tall?

Make her climb and make her busy.

Of course spending $$ is the last thing you want, but I think you will make this thing and it will solve some of the problems, hopefully all!

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Go at least 2 feet tall, taller if you can. Its hard to say, maybe a 7 foot wide by 3 deep and 3 tall?

Make her climb and make her busy.

Of course spending $$ is the last thing you want, but I think you will make this thing and it will solve some of the problems, hopefully all!

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I would like to go taller but that would mean it must be assembled in that room and disassembled in order to get it back out. Standard doorway is about 30”. I could go 8’ long, 2’ deep, and 3’ tall. Basically one dimension has to be 2’ or less to avoid completely disassembling to move it. My local Lowe’s has 3/8” pvc boards too... $15 more per sheet than birch but half the thickness of plywood. Just not sure about using thinner material for a huge build. Could add a simple frame for additional structure in key areas. This is going to have to be a very seriously thought out project with as much cash and time as it will call for if I go through with it


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I would like to go taller but that would mean it must be assembled in that room and disassembled in order to get it back out. Standard doorway is about 30”. I could go 8’ long, 2’ deep, and 3’ tall. Basically one dimension has to be 2’ or less to avoid completely disassembling to move it. My local Lowe’s has 3/8” pvc boards too... $15 more per sheet than birch but half the thickness of plywood. Just not sure about using thinner material for a huge build. Could add a simple frame for additional structure in key areas. This is going to have to be a very seriously thought out project with as much cash and time as it will call for if I go through with it


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I think I'm going to wait until the spring to build Gene's. I want to see how the temps are in the basement this year so I can see if I need to bump up my RHP.

Good luck man, I really hope this helps her. You'll figure it out. You have made it two years and countless moves and she's been there. It'll just take you some time.

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I think I'm going to wait until the spring to build Gene's. I want to see how the temps are in the basement this year so I can see if I need to bump up my RHP.

Good luck man, I really hope this helps her. You'll figure it out. You have made it two years and countless moves and she's been there. It'll just take you some time.

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Lol I’ve only actually moved twice since I’ve had her. But thanks man! I really think she’s just going to be a moderate meal every 5days kinda gal. I’m gonna try that for a couple months and see how she does


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Hi Jm,
I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a bad time with this beloved snake of yours. That really sucks!:( Fortunately, I haven't ever had this problem with either of my SDs yet (knock on wood!), but from what I understand it's a fairly common issue with Retics. I'm sure you've already experimented with everything regarding cage size, temperatures, humidity, prey size and feeding schedules, yeah? And, as has already been mentioned, the desire to breed can also cause them to push, but she shouldn't be sexually mature for 2 - 3 more years, should she? My male is definitely extremely active (and destructive) in his enclosure. I can't keep his tub dry (he's still in a 41 qt. rack), because for some reason the little stinker insists on keeping it soak and wet with the water from his water dish. From what I understand, cage destruction is also pretty common with Retics. Since Retics are such energetic, inquisitive and intelligent animals I have to wonder if it couldn't simply be boredom/desire to be handled that might cause them to push and/or destroy their cages? My boy especially is very sociable and LOVES being out and being handled! How often do you take your girl out and for how long?

I would highly recommend contacting Garrett Hartle of Reach Out Reptiles here in Pittsburgh. He specializes in SD Retics (exclusively) and seems to be one of the authorities on them these days. He's very friendly and helpful and i'm sure he would be happy to share his experience with you.

With regards to building your new enclosures, i'm curious why you wouldn't want to use PVC board instead of birch?

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Hi Jm,
I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a bad time with this beloved snake of yours. That really sucks!:( Fortunately, I haven't ever had this problem with either of my SDs yet (knock on wood!), but from what I understand it's a fairly common issue with Retics. I'm sure you've already experimented with everything regarding cage size, temperatures, humidity, prey size and feeding schedules, yeah? And, as has already been mentioned, the desire to breed can also cause them to push, but she shouldn't be sexually mature for 2 - 3 more years, should she? My male is definitely extremely active (and destructive) in his enclosure. I can't keep his tub dry (he's still in a 41 qt. rack), because for some reason the little stinker insists on keeping it soak and wet with the water from his water dish. From what I understand, cage destruction is also pretty common with Retics. Since Retics are such energetic, inquisitive and intelligent animals I have to wonder if it couldn't simply be boredom/desire to be handled that might cause them to push and/or destroy their cages? My boy especially is very sociable and LOVES being out and being handled! How often do you take your girl out and for how long?

I would highly recommend contacting Garrett Hartle of Reach Out Reptiles here in Pittsburgh. He specializes in SD Retics (exclusively) and seems to be one of the authorities on them these days. He's very friendly and helpful and i'm sure he would be happy to share his experience with you.

With regards to building your new enclosures, i'm curious why you wouldn't want to use PVC board instead of birch?

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I know this is a very long thread, but if you read back through it you’ll find the answers to every single question you just asked about. I’ve tried it all. For almost two years now. Not trying to be rude, I’ve just explored all of those issues in exhausting detail


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On a lighter note I like the perches you have mounted in her cage. Look like treated dock poles almost. Did I miss the info on those and how you have them mounted? Would like to steal that for my olives if you don't mind.

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On a lighter note I like the perches you have mounted in her cage. Look like treated dock poles almost. Did I miss the info on those and how you have them mounted? Would like to steal that for my olives if you don't mind.

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They’re stakes for keeping trees growing upright. Got them at Lowe’s. Mounted in the cage using 90 degree corner brackets. I stole the idea from Gio on here


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I know this is a very long thread, but if you read back through it you’ll find the answers to every single question you just asked about. I’ve tried it all. For almost two years now. Not trying to be rude, I’ve just explored all of those issues in exhausting detail


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You've already contacted Garrett Hartle and asked him for advice? You just mentioned a couple posts ago about the possibility of putting a male in with her, but it's my understanding that female SD Retics aren't sexually mature until 4 - 5 years of age... You also just mentioned building her a new enclosure out of birch a couple of posts ago... Those were my only questions...

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You've already contacted Garrett Hartle and asked him for advice? You just mentioned a couple posts ago about the possibility of putting a male in with her, but it's my understanding that female SD Retics aren't sexually mature until 4 - 5 years of age... You also just mentioned building her a new enclosure out of birch a couple of posts ago... Those were my only questions...

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Yeah I’ve talked to Garrett twice. He just said lower temps and don’t feed her for 2-3 weeks. When I said she’d tear her face off after not eating for that long he basically just said “huh, weird”.
Female retics are generally mature around 3 years or so. Garrett just prefers to wait until 4-5 years.
I also mentioned that I did want to use pvc for a big cage but that Lowe’s only has 3/8” thick sheets. Not a lot of support for an 8’ build. We’ll see though. Not sure I want to invest $4-500 in a cage that very well might not solve the issues here. I’d just assume rehome the damn snake at that point. I’ve already spent thousands of dollars trying to make her happy with no luck


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You know man, I hate to say it as i like my all my snakes a lot too but it might be time to cut Phyllis loose. I mean you have tried everything under the sun with no improvement other than keeping her in a food coma which isnt going to be good for her.

I personally dont think a bigger cage is going to do it and spending all the cash to build one and find out it didnt work is REALLY going to be aggravating. It might be Phyllis doesnt like AP cages as that is the only thing left but personally i cant see that being it.

I honestly have run out of ideas to offer. Maybe look for a smaller cage from a different manufacturer for cheap on CL or something and try that. If it works, then maybe build the monster cage and resell the smaller one from CL or give it to the boa.

Sorry for all the problems. I know what it likes when Caesar was going crazy during breeding season and pushing his face into hamburger :(

To bad they don't make anti anxiety pills for snakes, or maybe you need them by now, been reading your post but since I have no usefull comment I just kept quite, but wanted to tell you that you and Phyllis are in my prayers whatever you choice is please take comfort in knowing you did a fabulous job raising her and did far more and tolerated more than anyone , you can only do what you can do. ~Healing hugs from across the miles ~

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You know man, I hate to say it as i like my all my snakes a lot too but it might be time to cut Phyllis loose. I mean you have tried everything under the sun with no improvement other than keeping her in a food coma which isnt going to be good for her.

I personally dont think a bigger cage is going to do it and spending all the cash to build one and find out it didnt work is REALLY going to be aggravating. It might be Phyllis doesnt like AP cages as that is the only thing left but personally i cant see that being it.

I honestly have run out of ideas to offer. Maybe look for a smaller cage from a different manufacturer for cheap on CL or something and try that. If it works, then maybe build the monster cage and resell the smaller one from CL or give it to the boa.

Sorry for all the problems. I know what it likes when Caesar was going crazy during breeding season and pushing his face into hamburger :(

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I’m honestly thinking the same thing. It’s just going to be such a hard decision to make and hard to actually sell her as well. I’m not FedEx Reptile certified and she’s too big for Ship Your Reptiles. But yeah, neither of us can keep this up. It’s just not good for me or this snake. It makes me sad that I can’t help her.
We’ll see if I can get her in at either of these vets I left a message with. Maybe there’s something wrong inside her face but I don’t think that’s the issue. She’s been like this since October 2016, as soon as I took the divider out of her T8 she’s pushed almost constantly unless in a food coma.


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I’m honestly thinking the same thing. It’s just going to be such a hard decision to make and hard to actually sell her as well. I’m not FedEx Reptile certified and she’s too big for Ship Your Reptiles. But yeah, neither of us can keep this up. It’s just not good for me or this snake. It makes me sad that I can’t help her.
We’ll see if I can get her in at either of these vets I left a message with. Maybe there’s something wrong inside her face but I don’t think that’s the issue. She’s been like this since October 2016, as soon as I took the divider out of her T8 she’s pushed almost constantly unless in a food coma.


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I hear ya. I re homed Rango a couple weeks ago and it was sad seeing him go. Just do local only sales. Thats what i did through the local reptile FB page. Takes longer but will save you the headache of trying to Delta Dash Phyllis as i dont think FedEx is going to take that big of snake.

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I hear ya. I re homed Rango a couple weeks ago and it was sad seeing him go. Just do local only sales. Thats what i did through the local reptile FB page. Takes longer but will save you the headache of trying to Delta Dash Phyllis as i dont think FedEx is going to take that big of snake.

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Yeah ship your reptiles has a max size of 8’ or 4” in diameter. Phyllis is definitely too long and probably bigger than 4” diameter too.
It would be the saddest thing ever to get rid of her. But I don’t know if it’s sadder to see her smash her face up here. Her face looks like crap. That will also complicate trying to sell her. I’m just so bummed right now


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