Need some perspective (gore)

A friend of mine has been bugging me about my "anorexic" BP, and asking why I don't leave the rat in all night. I've always told him to do a year's research on snakes before contradicting my husbandry, but he kept bugging me. I just showed him this thread and I don't think he'll bug me again.



Really, this snake wasn't being "saved" from the freezer. It would be better off in the freezer than with someone who is going to let it die slowly. This is so wrong. If it was a person with a torn up back with their spine showing, I guarantee they would give that person all kinds of pain meds and operations and whatnot. What's the difference here? That snake is hurting and nobody is going to help it!

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Originally Posted by Crazy4Herps

A friend of mine has been bugging me about my "anorexic" BP, and asking why I don't leave the rat in all night. I've always told him to do a year's research on snakes before contradicting my husbandry, but he kept bugging me. I just showed him this thread and I don't think he'll bug me again.



Really, this snake wasn't being "saved" from the freezer. It would be better off in the freezer than with someone who is going to let it die slowly. This is so wrong. If it was a person with a torn up back with their spine showing, I guarantee they would give that person all kinds of pain meds and operations and whatnot. What's the difference here? That snake is hurting and nobody is going to help it!

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i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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bp = cold blooded.
cold blooded = body temp. effected by temp. around body
freezer= cold

see where im going with this

freezer lowers body temp.
low body temp. puts snake to sleep. better to fall asleep and go, then suffer infection, or chronic pain. due to stupid #$2 pet owners

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

i dont get how a freezer is humane though.

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Imagine if all your bodily functions slowed down...including pain....it would be as if your life is slowing down until you fall asleep. Almost like on TV shows where they show someone who has had too much to drink, etc...and everyone is perceived in slow motion.

Being frozen hurts us because we are endotherms and our perception stays up to par until late late into the freezing process. For ectotherms, their perception slows with their body temp, so they likely feel very little from early on in the process (I can't confirm this firsthand, obviously).

Some have advocated a fridge pre-cooling before the freezer, anyone recommend this?

JonV

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Originally Posted by katiadarling

I'm curious what the wounds being "healed up well" means. I don't see any way that the flesh would grow back around the vertebrae without it being a VERY long road (considering that the injury only happened two months ago and the pictures from a month ago still show gaping holes in the flesh.)

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What I am told is all but one wound is covered. probably the worse one.
They are putting the cream prescribed by the vet on it. All I can go on is what i am updated and I told some people back a bunch of pages I would keep the updates going. I can see if i can get some pictures again. But thats the best I can do

shadi- no worries! I'm not trying to criticize you. I just have some doubts about the purported healing process... at least they took it to a vet... but geez.

Oh I know where your comming from. I have my doubts to. but what do you do.. I did the best I could and tried my best because Morphie asked me for help. I was going to take it in and have the snake put down. but she wouldnt go for it. I still have doubts for the snake. but after all shes been thru I can hope the owner is telling me the truth. After all this is all internet talk and I have not seen it in person nor do I know who she is. I just tried to get her to listen.

Wow...that is all I can say to this level of idiocy.

I read this through for the first time last night and didn't respond because I could think of nothing to say. I still can't, but I can say that just thinking about this gave me nightmares about my feeders (I feed f/t) doing a Frankenstien's monster act and doing something like that. My wife had no idea what was going on when I sat up like that.

Bloodsong

Let me just say! This is not how normal live-feeding goes. I do it this way; I toss the food item in. Snake acts interested, and eats. or, snake is disinterested, coils up, and i remove the rodent after a few minutes.
I have never seen a rat go at a snake like that one had to have. That definately hda to have been, a starved (and probably dehydrated) rat, who would eat anything in sight fast, including another rat possibly.
So, is the snake's skin growing back and regenerating?
I am disappointed; I would have put a bullet through the poor thing's head as soon as I got it home; instant mercy killing.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Let me just say! This is not how normal live-feeding goes. I do it this way; I toss the food item in. Snake acts interested, and eats. or, snake is disinterested, coils up, and i remove the rodent after a few minutes.
I have never seen a rat go at a snake like that one had to have. That definately hda to have been, a starved (and probably dehydrated) rat, who would eat anything in sight fast, including another rat possibly.
So, is the snake's skin growing back and regenerating?
I am disappointed; I would have put a bullet through the poor thing's head as soon as I got it home; instant mercy killing.

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I agree. That had to be one hungry rat.
Actually, speaking of gore and hungry rats, my brother starved his pet rats once (don't worry, I kicked him hard for that) and the bigger one ate the other one... it pulled all of its organs through its mouth and ate them, leaving the hollow skin and fur. My first reaction when he told me was utter shock, but my second reaction was why didn't you show me the body??? I know it is terribly cruel and horrific, but I would have liked to see it. I am a surgeon wanna-be, so I am interested in that kind of stuff.