OK I keep getting flack for keeping my snakes in a rack system

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

Use your initiative, what type of sand do you think i am using?

It could be that, more likely that he picked them up from else where as his reptiles are his job. So they're always clean etc.

But that is my opinion that i am right and that the others are wrong, why is so that so hard to accept? It's only opinion. And i honestly don't know how many times i have to say it, but i have nothing against tubs! If they're of adequate size etc. Maybe some of you would like to post your set ups? Would be interesting to see how many of you have tubs/racks longer than the actual adult snake?

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It's hard to accept because of your ridiculously condescending attitudes towards everyone and everything, as well as your closed-mindedness.
The "I do everything right and I'd like to see any snakes healthier than mine and what you're doing is wrong and shows a lack of passion" instead of a civil "This is why I keep my snakes in naturalistic enclosures and why" is what is not getting you any buddies around here.

PS: I house my snakes in "naturalistic" tanks.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

It's hard to accept because of your ridiculously condescending attitudes towards everyone and everything, as well as your closed-mindedness.
The "I do everything right and I'd like to see any snakes healthier than mine and what you're doing is wrong and shows a lack of passion" instead of a civil "This is why I keep my snakes in naturalistic enclosures and why" is what is not getting you any buddies around here.

PS: I house my snakes in "naturalistic" tanks.

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I'm close minded because i will never keep a snake in an empty tank? Ok then...I'm very close minded then...Seeing as keeping them in that type of set up has no benefits over a big, naturalistic viv/tub, aside from cost and the ability to keep more snakes.

No one seems to be willing to show their spacious racking set ups though..

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What is the point of coming into a debate with a condescending tone and a closed mind? You're simply coming here on a ball python forum with ZERO experience keeping ball pythons and telling keepers with hundreds of years of collective experience that your way is superior to theirs. You don't even have enough of an open mind to entertain that maybe what you do for your hots doesn't apply to ball pythons. Not only that, you're a hypocrite (in my opinion... Which to use your logic, since it's MY opinion, I'm right and there's no debating that...)

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

I'm close minded because i will never keep a snake in an empty tank? Ok then...I'm very close minded then...Seeing as keeping them in that type of set up has no benefits over a big, naturalistic viv/tub, aside from cost and the ability to keep more snakes.

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People have tried to explain to you the alleged benefits of keeping BALL PYTHONS in rack systems with small, tight tubs, but you're acting like a small child who is plugging his ears after he hears something that he doesn't like. Not to mention, some of these people have been keeping ball pythons for decades upon decades.

Your attitude is completely abrasive and the superiority complex that you seem to be exhibiting is not helping your case. I GUARANTEE YOU that if you came in here with the attitude that I posted in my previous post (the positive, non-judgemental one) you would be getting a very warm reception and nice conversations from the people in this community.

Something tells me you don't have the capacity to have a positive, non-judgemental attitude, though.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

No one seems to be willing to show their spacious racking set ups though..

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That's because by definition and design, a rack system isn't supposed to be "spacious". What are you looking for? Someone who has a rack full of 55 gallon tubs? My enclosures in my racks are size-appropriate for the animals they contain. When the snake begins to "outgrow" their tub, they're upgraded to the next appropriate size.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Crotalids -

What is the point of coming into a debate with a condescending tone and a closed mind? You're simply coming here on a ball python forum with ZERO experience keeping ball pythons and telling keepers with hundreds of years of collective experience that your way is superior to theirs. You don't even have enough of an open mind to entertain that maybe what you do for your hots doesn't apply to ball pythons. Not only that, you're a hypocrite (in my opinion... Which to use your logic, since it's MY opinion, I'm right and there's no debating that...)

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If snakes can successfully live in the wild, we should be able to create a similar environment in captivity that they thrive in. Simple, there is no need for these simplistic enclosures that disregard what the habitat is like where the snakes originate.

Show me how i'm a hypocrite?

I've never kept a snake in a non naturalistic enclosure, or a lizard/gecko for that matter. Isn't that the point i've been arguing? So how can i be a hypocrite. It is indeed your opinion, but i can try to change your opinion - i'm not offended.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

People have tried to explain to you the alleged benefits of keeping BALL PYTHONS in rack systems with small, tight tubs, but you're acting like a small child who is plugging his ears after he hears something that he doesn't like. Not to mention, some of these people have been keeping ball pythons for decades upon decades.

Your attitude is completely abrasive and the superiority complex that you seem to be exhibiting is not helping your case. I GUARANTEE YOU that if you came in here with the attitude that I posted in my previous post (the positive, non-judgemental one) you would be getting a very warm reception and nice conversations from the people in this community.

Something tells me you don't have the capacity to have a positive, non-judgemental attitude, though.:rolleyes:

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So how is it people manage to keep Royals in naturalistic set ups then? Any snake will thrive, given the correct set up. I guarantee you, if i were to buy a royal python right now and put it in a Viv as a baby i will have it feeding. Because my set up will be correct. Maybe i will.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

That's because by definition and design, a rack system isn't supposed to be "spacious". What are you looking for? Someone who has a rack full of 55 gallon tubs? My enclosures in my racks are size-appropriate for the animals they contain. When the snake begins to "outgrow" their tub, they're upgraded to the next appropriate size.

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Exactly, so a rack is designed to cram in as many snakes as you possibly can. Lazy snake or not, lazy snakes do utilize the space given at some point if given the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

If snakes can successfully live in the wild, we should be able to create a similar environment in captivity that they thrive in. Simple, there is no need for these simplistic enclosures that disregard what the habitat is like where the snakes originate.

Show me how i'm a hypocrite?

I've never kept a snake in a non naturalistic enclosure, or a lizard/gecko for that matter. Isn't that the point i've been arguing? So how can i be a hypocrite. It is indeed your opinion, but i can try to change your opinion - i'm not offended.

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So how is it people manage to keep Royals in naturalistic set ups then? Any snake will thrive, given the correct set up. I guarantee you, if i were to buy a royal python right now and put it in a Viv as a baby i will have it feeding. Because my set up will be correct. Maybe i will.



Exactly, so a rack is designed to cram in as many snakes as you possibly can. Lazy snake or not, lazy snakes do utilize the space given at some point if given the opportunity.

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How about we just say you're really an unpleasant close minded know-it-all (in your mind only) who has nothing positive to ad to any conversation he tries to control, which is every conversation he takes part in.

Does that come across clear and concise? Can you understand the words that are coming from my fingers? I know you don't care, no need to expound upon that, but do you really, deeply, honestly, understand what I'm saying to you?

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

I'm close minded because i will never keep a snake in an empty tank? Ok then...I'm very close minded then...Seeing as keeping them in that type of set up has no benefits over a big, naturalistic viv/tub, aside from cost and the ability to keep more snakes.

No one seems to be willing to show their spacious racking set ups though..

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Then other than looking nice and taking up more space what benefits are scientifically know about your keeping over others? In a way that your thinking is you should have the house set up as a viv and let prey live as they normally would so the snakes could hunt their prey just as they would in the wild.

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Originally Posted by Crotalids

So how is it people manage to keep Royals in naturalistic set ups then? Any snake will thrive, given the correct set up. I guarantee you, if i were to buy a royal python right now and put it in a Viv as a baby i will have it feeding. Because my set up will be correct. Maybe i will.

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People`s pythons thrive in tubs as well.

I'm going to say this one last thing to you because you're ridiculous and hard-headed:

You'd get a ball python, and set it up in a naturalistic viv just to prove to us that you can get it to feed?

Oh.....my.............

No........worddddddsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.....




Please, for your sake, I pray that you are not like this in real life.

So everyone should go home today and put all their ball pythons on dirt and throw a rock in there or something. Is that what you are getting at? I really don't see how my snake will be any better off by being on dirt with some debris everywhere...but if you say so, it must be true!


And as for your mite eradication methods..that sounds quite elaborate when I could just spray some provent a mite and be done with it.

Also, moving around more doesn't necessarily mean the snake is happier or more "enriched". If that is your only evidence...then I am going to stick with paper.