Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

[QUOTE=jmcrook;2627718]Seems to be the case. There’s no way I can do a 6’ tall cage though. Maybe 4’. Jeez... I’m gonna have to think hard about this. I love the hell out of this critter but my god, she’s more work than a damn dog sometimes


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6 x 3 x 3 is pretty damn nice. Not worth going over that for her. Large mainland sure but like you are saying, too much work. Too little enjoyment.

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You aren’t going to believe this. She had free run of an entire room for the whole night... she’s still in the same spot on top of the cage stack and hasn’t moved.

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That a good start and shows she doesn't like the cage. Now to narrow it down some more and figure out what is bothering her.

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That a good start and shows she doesn't like the cage. Now to narrow it down some more and figure out what is bothering her.

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I think she just wants a very large and tall space. Figures that I would end up with worlds largest super dwarf that needs more space than most mainland retics


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Maybe she is claustrophobic? Dark cages with a glass front can be great because they mimic a big "hide" and many snakes crave the security this seems to give them.

Perhaps she wants to be out in the open for some reason, though.

She might be one of those that would like one of those big cages they make for birds that have a huge and sturdy Manzanita tree in the middle. Add some shelves here and there.

Friends of mine converted a hallway closet to a giant bird cage. They took the doors off and built a Plexiglas front that can be opened. They treated the walls with a non toxic paint that can easily be washed down. The floor has a removable tray that holds substrate. There is a big tree in there. It would be easy to add big corner shelves. Adding heat panels should also not be a big problem? As well as some LED lights.




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Beautiful little noodle. And I love her name.


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Maybe she is claustrophobic? Dark cages with a glass front can be great because they mimic a big "hide" and many snakes crave the security this seems to give them.

Perhaps she wants to be out in the open for some reason, though.

She might be one of those that would like one of those big cages they make for birds that have a huge and sturdy Manzanita tree in the middle. Add some shelves here and there.

Friends of mine converted a hallway closet to a giant bird cage. They took the doors off and built a Plexiglas front that can be opened. They treated the walls with a non toxic paint that can easily be washed down. The floor has a removable tray that holds substrate. There is a big tree in there. It would be easy to add big corner shelves. Adding heat panels should also not be a big problem? As well as some LED lights.




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I rent so not an option


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oh my, I can't believe she stayed there all night, that is adorable, funny and sad all at the same time. I totally feel your frustration.
Seems like she just really doesn't like that cage. Wish I could lend you a white one to see if that changes anything. Either that or a tub.
*fingers crossed* for an eventual resolution that you both are happy with.

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oh my, I can't believe she stayed there all night, that is adorable, funny and sad all at the same time. I totally feel your frustration.
Seems like she just really doesn't like that cage. Wish I could lend you a white one to see if that changes anything. Either that or a tub.
*fingers crossed* for an eventual resolution that you both are happy with.

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She’s still on top of the cages but moved down to the empty spot next to the thermostats. I’m beyond frustrated with the pushing though.
I feel like it’s gotta be something about the cage/environment/climate but she did this in her T8 as well before being upgraded, just not quite as severely.


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I think some animals just don't like being in cages at all. My Olive python doesn't push but he gets restless and roams his tank constantly if I don't let him out every few days. If I let him out of his cage for a few for some handling, exercise, and open air he usually settles down quite a bit. Maybe try just letting her out to free roam a little more. I'm not sure what the underlying issues are but I hope she calms down for you JM.

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I think some animals just don't like being in cages at all. My Olive python doesn't push but he gets restless and roams his tank constantly if I don't let him out every few days. If I let him out of his cage for a few for some handling, exercise, and open air he usually settles down quite a bit. Maybe try just letting her out to free roam a little more. I'm not sure what the underlying issues are but I hope she calms down for you JM.

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Man, I’ve tried... let her roam the roam for 7-8 hours once. Put her back and immediately began pushing furiously at the door. As soon as she’s pooped which is about four days after eating regardless of prey size, nothing stops her from pushing except more food or just not putting her back in her cage.


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I've really been tossing around the idea of building my own enclosure for Gene and making it custom sized. But at 6' - 7' and 4' tall will be heavy AF when it's made of wood and full sealed blah blah blah. Simple fix, get astroturf, radiant oil filled heater (need to make a surrounding for it) and a kiddie pool. Temp snake room run on ambient temps.

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Why so difficult little girl??

She's such a looker and I remember this first post like yesterday. I was envious that day. Sauzo and I went on high alert for SD x Dwarf stuff.

JM,

You'll get it figured out, I know you are a smart dude. Young and busy, but I think you said you are handy and that will come into play eventually.

Plus,,, the creative/art side of you leads me to believe if you build a unit yourself at some point, the jungles of the world will be jealous.

Another handy idea I have which may or may not be appealing. Find some type of AP arboreal unit, cut a hole in the bottom large enough for Philly to get through and do the same to the top of your T-25. Somehow join the cages together at the holes making it so they can still be broken down and separated but fully secure and give her an upstairs? Boaphile has "cubes" that can extend a 4 foot cage to a 6 footer. I'm sure AP could make something.

Just a thought since we are brainstorming.

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Hey! Just wanted to share a short progression of my now 6 month old Kalatoa Super Dwarf Retic. Not exactly a giant but a "tiny giant" of sorts. Apologies for some of the blurry cell phone pics, she doesn't exactly like to hold still for any period of time.
Here's Phyllis, hatched by Daniel Solis mid Feb (started pipping 2/11/16, clutch all out of the eggs by 2/14/16)

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Deep in shed the day she arrived (freezing cold and an entire day late... Thanks for sending her to Washington State after she was 20 min from my doorstep in Missouri, FedEx!)
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Exploring her new enclosure. Itty bitty at 50ish grams and three weeks old.

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Late march, about 6 weeks old here and all fired up!

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5 months old and taking a bath after she shed. Dramatic size increase but still tiny for a retic

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Just about 6 months old here. Does this every time she's out and I have a hat on. Growing like a weed! In the low 500 gram range up from low 50 gram range when she arrived.
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Mid yawn the other night.

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And Geoffrey, my 7 year old Pastel BP.

I can't get the most recent pictures to upload of Phyllis with her brightest colors yet when she was super fired up last night and looked amazing. Just wanted to share my newest critter with everyone! Thanks for looking!

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Why so difficult little girl??

She's such a looker and I remember this first post like yesterday. I was envious that day. Sauzo and I went on high alert for SD x Dwarf stuff.

JM,

You'll get it figured out, I know you are a smart dude. Young and busy, but I think you said you are handy and that will come into play eventually.

Plus,,, the creative/art side of you leads me to believe if you build a unit yourself at some point, the jungles of the world will be jealous.

Another handy idea I have which may or may not be appealing. Find some type of AP arboreal unit, cut a hole in the bottom large enough for Philly to get through and do the same to the top of your T-25. Somehow join the cages together at the holes making it so they can still be broken down and separated but fully secure and give her an upstairs? Boaphile has "cubes" that can extend a 4 foot cage to a 6 footer. I'm sure AP could make something.

Just a thought since we are brainstorming.

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Stacking would be a neat idea but I'm curious how to heat that.

Wonder if it's a night thing he likes? If you put his enclosure on top of the others?

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I've really been tossing around the idea of building my own enclosure for Gene and making it custom sized. But at 6' - 7' and 4' tall will be heavy AF when it's made of wood and full sealed blah blah blah. Simple fix, get astroturf, radiant oil filled heater (need to make a surrounding for it) and a kiddie pool. Temp snake room run on ambient temps.

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I’ve been thinking about just building a cage too. I mean it’s just a big box with windows after all. But yeah it would be heavy as hell. Could make it more modular and easier to maneuver if I designed it though...


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Why so difficult little girl??

She's such a looker and I remember this first post like yesterday. I was envious that day. Sauzo and I went on high alert for SD x Dwarf stuff.

JM,

You'll get it figured out, I know you are a smart dude. Young and busy, but I think you said you are handy and that will come into play eventually.

Plus,,, the creative/art side of you leads me to believe if you build a unit yourself at some point, the jungles of the world will be jealous.

Another handy idea I have which may or may not be appealing. Find some type of AP arboreal unit, cut a hole in the bottom large enough for Philly to get through and do the same to the top of your T-25. Somehow join the cages together at the holes making it so they can still be broken down and separated but fully secure and give her an upstairs? Boaphile has "cubes" that can extend a 4 foot cage to a 6 footer. I'm sure AP could make something.

Just a thought since we are brainstorming.

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I was actually looking at some of those boaphile designs earlier with the vertical pass through between the upstairs and downstairs. Not a bad idea really. Not really wild about cutting up cages but AP could cut replacement pieces if I ever wanted them back to normal. Good ideas all around here!


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Stacking would be a neat idea but I'm curious how to heat that.

Wonder if it's a night thing he likes? If you put his enclosure on top of the others?

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I’d probably just heat the bottom cage and let the heat panel give a mild warm spot in the space above it. Multiple climate zones available then
That crossed my mind too. Maybe just getting her cage higher in the stack would help? I’ve got taller posts and could get the bottom of her cage about 3’ off the ground... put the two T8s on the shelf below it?


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JM, I found an old thread on a UK forum with people suggesting:

-They pushing because they want to breed.
-Giving them a smaller hide so they fit snuggly
-And lastly a guy had to turn his viv on it's back so the glass was the roof and had to re-arrange the heat and lighting. And it made his retic stop pushing.

I don't know brother, is up to you to try this ones. Good luck!

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Caesar pushed like crazy because he wanted to breed. After breeding 'season', he quit pushing. Females generally arent going to push as the males are the ones in competition and out looking for a female. Some males will also become aggressive during breeding season too. I am lucky that Caesar didnt get aggressive, just pushed all the time.

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Lol relative to a small bedroom she doesn’t look big. Get her back in her cage and she looks enormous. She might really need a 6’x3’x4’ but Jesus Christ that’s a big ass cage!


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Thats nuts. You must have a unique snake lol. I see so many huge retics stuffed in 18 inch or 2 foot tall cages and just sit there content. Maybe she just likes the 'fresh' air. I know when Caesar acts up, i can usually open a door and he will just curl up in front of the open door and sleep or balance on the litter dam and just sit there for hours.

Try letting the humidity drop down a good amount. Like i said before, Rosey and Caesar both dont like high humidity and will push and pace and overall be restless to the point of being all night until i open a door and let them out and let the humidity drop. Then i put them back and they are fine, until the humidity goes up again. Vicky and Gina seem to like the higher humidity though.

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Thats nuts. You must have a unique snake lol. I see so many huge retics stuffed in 18 inch or 2 foot tall cages and just sit there content. Maybe she just likes the 'fresh' air. I know when Caesar acts up, i can usually open a door and he will just curl up in front of the open door and sleep or balance on the litter dam and just sit there for hours.

Try letting the humidity drop down a good amount. Like i said before, Rosey and Caesar both dont like high humidity and will push and pace and overall be restless to the point of being all night until i open a door and let them out and let the humidity drop. Then i put them back and they are fine, until the humidity goes up again. Vicky and Gina seem to like the higher humidity though.

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Tried. Left the doors open all night, it got down to 59% humidity. Put her back in before going to see Jurassic World a little bit ago and just got home to see that she’s been raising hell the entire time... she ate only 5 days ago... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d90c549131.jpg


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Fed her, Gerald, and Geoffrey tonight. Forgot to mention I got her a concrete mixing tub/water bowl/pool yesterday. Need to remove the second from the left shelf support to fit its long side against the depth of the cage. Takes up a ton of space though. But she did use it immediately after eating like she always used to. Been in there for an hour or more. Maybe that’s something she’s been wanting? It is a mystery to me anymore. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dd61d5ce7b.jpg
Maybe an 8’x2.5-3’x2’ cage with one giant tub/bowl and one big hide with a shelf covering 1/3 of the cage on the cool side halfway up the height or a tad more and another climbing obstacle to be determined. Unless AP can do something manageably modular at that scale I may get more serious about designing a custom plywood cage and deck that sucker out.


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Fed her, Gerald, and Geoffrey tonight. Forgot to mention I got her a concrete mixing tub/water bowl/pool yesterday. Need to remove the second from the left shelf support to fit its long side against the depth of the cage. Takes up a ton of space though. But she did use it immediately after eating like she always used to. Been in there for an hour or more. Maybe that’s something she’s been wanting? It is a mystery to me anymore. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dd61d5ce7b.jpg
Maybe an 8’x2.5-3’x2’ cage with one giant tub/bowl and one big hide with a shelf covering 1/3 of the cage on the cool side halfway up the height or a tad more and another climbing obstacle to be determined. Unless AP can do something manageably modular at that scale I may get more serious about designing a custom plywood cage and deck that sucker out.


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Just make 2 and I'll come pick it up!

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Just make 2 and I'll come pick it up!

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If I do I’ll let you know! It’s about a 12hr drive though hahha!
The only thing really stopping me from starting a build is the inevitable ungodly weight of a birch plywood cage at 8’ even if I make it two 4’ sections. Need to just call AP because Ali hasn’t answered any of my emails for the last three weeks. Ideal cage that can make it through a standard door for me would be two 4’x30”x24” cages that connect to make an 8’ behemoth cage. Gonna wait on that though and hope to jeebus that giving Phyllis a swimming pool will calm her ass down. She’s still in there since last night lol.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9981708170.jpg


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If I do I’ll let you know! It’s about a 12hr drive though hahha!
The only thing really stopping me from starting a build is the inevitable ungodly weight of a birch plywood cage at 8’ even if I make it two 4’ sections. Need to just call AP because Ali hasn’t answered any of my emails for the last three weeks. Ideal cage that can make it through a standard door for me would be two 4’x30”x24” cages that connect to make an 8’ behemoth cage. Gonna wait on that though and hope to jeebus that giving Phyllis a swimming pool will calm her ass down. She’s still in there since last night lol.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9981708170.jpg


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She is so beautiful for being a pain.

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She is so beautiful for being a pain.

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Thanks man. Sometimes I just sit and stare at her thinking, “wow... I raised that thing from a two ounce worm less than two feet long into this beast of an animal.” Blows my mind sometimes. I wish y’all could see her in person. She’s quite the impressive physical presence when handling her. And yeah, the best looking critters seem to be the most demanding and the most work. Still love her as much as she drives me nuts most of the time


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Thanks man. Sometimes I just sit and stare at her thinking, “wow... I raised that thing from a two ounce worm less than two feet long into this beast of an animal.” Blows my mind sometimes. I wish y’all could see her in person. She’s quite the impressive physical presence when handling her. And yeah, the best looking critters seem to be the most demanding and the most work. Still love her as much as she drives me nuts most of the time


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I 100% agree, have had lots of animals over the years but Gene is so unique. First reptile I've ever had that honestly seems to have a personality. He seems to show emotion and empathy, but it might just be me over reading. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ccdb16a724.jpg

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Thanks man. Sometimes I just sit and stare at her thinking, “wow... I raised that thing from a two ounce worm less than two feet long into this beast of an animal.” Blows my mind sometimes. I wish y’all could see her in person. She’s quite the impressive physical presence when handling her. And yeah, the best looking critters seem to be the most demanding and the most work. Still love her as much as she drives me nuts most of the time


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Have you gotten a recent weight or length on her?

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Have you gotten a recent weight or length on her?

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~9.5-10’ or so and closing in on 25lbs.
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I 100% agree, have had lots of animals over the years but Gene is so unique. First reptile I've ever had that honestly seems to have a personality. He seems to show emotion and empathy, but it might just be me over reading. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ccdb16a724.jpg

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Lol maybe a little bit over reading and I do the same at times, but they definitely show a seemingly higher level of recognition and interaction and inquisitiveness than any other snake I’ve had.


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I know she is worth it. Keep up the love.

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Thanks man. Sometimes I just sit and stare at her thinking, “wow... I raised that thing from a two ounce worm less than two feet long into this beast of an animal.” Blows my mind sometimes. I wish y’all could see her in person. She’s quite the impressive physical presence when handling her. And yeah, the best looking critters seem to be the most demanding and the most work. Still love her as much as she drives me nuts most of the time


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Update?

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She’s sleeping in her hide. It’s only been two days since she ate, so well see how she acts in a couple days.


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Seriously though something must be bothering her inside or entertaining her inside.
I’m going to watch the first Ace Ventura Pet Detcive movie and see if I can find an answer 👍

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Hahaha Gio :rofl:

Three days after feeding. Pushing ensues. I’m putting her back in a T8 and hen smashing my head against some concrete until either I die or come up with a better solution


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Look at that iridescence.


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Look at that iridescence.


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Look at that ten foot snake on 8 square feet of floor space. Kinda sad but before I left for my studio she was curled up and not pushing, so... 🤷:cens0r:♂️


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Just got back. Still pushing. I give up. Who wants this animal? Come and get her


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Just got back. Still pushing. I give up. Who wants this animal? Come and get her


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I say just leave his enclosure open and keep that door closed.

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I would but... carpeted snake room + renting = losing my deposit. If it was hard floors in there I’d turn her loose. She unleashes about a gallon of piss every time she goes and that’s not coming out of that carpet.
And it’s HER cage. Gerald is the male and there’s no way he’s getting free roam anywhere. He’d be gone in two seconds, he’s like an 8’ rat snake except twice as fast


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I would but... carpeted snake room + renting = losing my deposit. If it was hard floors in there I’d turn her loose. She unleashes about a gallon of piss every time she goes and that’s not coming out of that carpet.
And it’s HER cage. Gerald is the male and there’s no way he’s getting free roam anywhere. He’d be gone in two seconds, he’s like an 8’ rat snake except twice as fast


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My bad! I knew that! #payattentiontogenders

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No worries man! Just making sure we’re both talking about the same snake haha


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Gave her a free roaming session earlier and her cage back... she chose to hang out quietly on the cool side of her cage and the sliding door has been open for her all day. Maybe Gerald’s scent from having spent the night in that cage has calmed her down? Who freakin knows anymore.
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Also ordered a chest freezer so now I can make a big feeder order of rabbits and pigs and guinea pigs and whatever else I could possibly need


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Looks good brother!
Keep fighting the fight. Retics are smart, but we still have an edge LOL!

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Gave her a free roaming session earlier and her cage back... she chose to hang out quietly on the cool side of her cage and the sliding door has been open for her all day. Maybe Gerald’s scent from having spent the night in that cage has calmed her down? Who freakin knows anymore.
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Happy you got the freezer. Now you can save money for sure. I need to pick one up myself. Been so focused on caging right now though. Is good she clamed down a little.

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Looks good brother!
Keep fighting the fight. Retics are smart, but we still have an edge LOL!

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That is what they want us to think. LOL:P:D:O

Welp, day 5 and she’s trying to peel her face from her skull so I guess I’m feeding her. Next trial is either big ass rabbits and/or piglets less frequently or bump back down to xl or jumbo rats every 4-5 days. This is basically just not fun anymore at this point.


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Welp, day 5 and she’s trying to peel her face from her skull so I guess I’m feeding her. Next trial is either big ass rabbits and/or piglets less frequently or bump back down to xl or jumbo rats every 4-5 days. This is basically just not fun anymore at this point.


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Dang man. I would go crazy. Personally i would probably stick to smaller more frequent meals if the size meal doesnt change her pushing time. I mean every 5-7 days is a lot of food, even for a female retic.

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Dang man. I would go crazy. Personally i would probably stick to smaller more frequent meals if the size meal doesnt change her pushing time. I mean every 5-7 days is a lot of food, even for a female retic.

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It’s driving me nuts. I haven’t tried anything larger than a 4xl guinea pig so next test is medium rabbits and maybe piglets if I make a monster feeders order. Chest freezer should be here Thursday.
If big meals don’t slow her down then I guess large to jumbo rats every four days and that’s the longest I’m ever allowed to travel again until this animal dies/escapes/eats me/who knows


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Lol lucky for me Caesar has mellowed out. He's about a day from 2 weeks and still quiet. Only gets loud when his humidity spikes. I just open a door and once it dries out some, he will crawl into a hide and curl up.

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Lol lucky for me Caesar has mellowed out. He's about a day from 2 weeks and still quiet. Only gets loud when his humidity spikes. I just open a door and once it dries out some, he will crawl into a hide and curl up.

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You don’t even begin to understand how jealous I am of that...


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Hey,

I'm grabbing at straws here so I'll add this suggestion/idea/thought.

I'm wondering IF, its the design of the cage for her that gives her a spot to push and get to traction. Maybe you should try to find a used Boaphile or Pro-Line or Vision cage and just try it. Sure its a waste of money of it doesn't work, but may end up worth it if it does.

I'm at a loss, other than building your own custom cage, I can't come up with anything.