ECLARK - mites

I'm wondering why he had racks listed for sale that could have been used to house new arrivals safely away from animals that were no longer his.


Anyway, Ed, call me all the names in the book you want but I am bailing on the Angolan. Just doesn't feel right anymore and I apologize for this in advance.
Fire away. I'll admit I bailed on you and take the heat for it. If people hate me after bailing on you, so be it.

On another note,
I need your addy to ship you the reptarium you bought since there is no address listed on the paypal payment or if you prefer, I can issue an immediate refund.

Let me know.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

I'm wondering why he had racks listed for sale that could have been used to house new arrivals safely away from animals that were no longer his.


Anyway, Ed, call me all the names in the book you want but I am bailing on the Angolan. Just doesn't feel right anymore and I apologize for this in advance.
Fire away. I'll admit I bailed on you and take the heat for it. If people hate me after bailing on you, so be it.

On another note,
I need your addy to ship you the reptarium you bought since there is no address listed on the paypal payment or if you prefer, I can issue an immediate refund.

Let me know.

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No one will flame you. Your concern for the care a breeder is providing for an animal you are paying for is totally understandable. Regardless of our options its your investment not ours.

I originally decided not to chime in here but I've noticed a lot of people either don't read the entire posts, or they forget stuff they read earlier.

Ed does practice quarantine, but he purchased from a well known breeder and assumed that he didn't need to because he trusted him. You know what they say happens when you assume. Ed made a mistake, and he admitted it.

Ed does move many snakes, and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. Ed helps people with problems, but his tends to be more towards PMs. I've talked to 3 or 4 people on here who've gotten help from ed via pm as opposed to in the post itself. As long as Ed continues his quarantine procedures and does not let his guard down by trusting a breeder any more this should not be a problem.

With the comment about the "gift that keeps on giving" my wife and I are at ends here as well. Being a customer service manager I believe that the comment was not meant in a harsh way, but was in poor taste. I do not believe Ed meant harm by the comment and it was his way, after saying he was sorry, to make light of a bad situation. I do this in real life, but when it comes to customer service all of my training says it's a big no no. My wife on the other hand likes these kind of comments as long as an apology is in a place. For example. I work in hotels and we recently stayed at a hotel that had bed bugs. It's happened in my hotels at a time or two and I know it's not something that you know about a head of time and well sh*t happens. We go down after 1 night with bite marks and itchiness and they switch us to a new room. After apologizing the manager gives us our new room keys and chuckles before saying: Hope you don't have any uninvited guest nipping on you tonight. The next morning the front desk person says, "did you stop itching long enough to get to sleep!?" Now, I think both comments were in very poor taste, from a customer service aspect you do anything and everything to rectify the situation and those kind of comments are NO good! My wife laughed at both the comments and said they both made her feel better about the situation. Ed may think like my wife and thought he was making the situation better and unknowingly made it worse!

As to the shipping more than one snake per bag, although some people do not agree, I know 2 other breeders besides Ed who practice this. Some people don't agree, and I myself would not want my snakes both shipped int he same bag. Although I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if you were buying 3 or 4 snakes from Ed and requested each be in a different bag, he wouldn't tell you know. As you all said, the bags are a dollar! I don't see him turning down a 3 or 4 snake deal to save himself 2 or 3 dollars.

As far as April's recuperations, I would say a can of PAM or two or the funds to purchase them. If any further outbreak of mites or possible disease should arise then it should be dealt with then, but seeing as currently no snakes have died from IBD and no other mites have been spotted, I don't believe much more talk about that should be entertained. If Ed wants to bend over backwards to try and make the situation go away faster there is more he could do but that's his own decision.

I personally will still buy from Ed in the future, assuming he has the snake I'm looking for at the right price. He will be considered just as much as I would consider other breeders I hold in high regard! Ed I view you as a good breeder and I would hope that you would not let this one incident prevent you from your current trading/buying/selling practices. During this hard time try your best to keep your head up.

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Ed does practice quarantine, but he purchased from a well known breeder

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Would everyone please knock this off, it's retarded....I dont care who or where those snakes came from, they obviously weren't quarantined properly. Quarantining is not rocket science, nor is it a sometimes type of thing...either you do it, or you dont, regardless of the source ;)

Provided the mites did actually enter his collection in the manner in which he described (well, one of them ;))

exactly.:gj:

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

Would everyone please knock this off, it's retarded....I dont care who or where those snakes came from, they obviously weren't quarantined properly. Quarantining is not rocket science, nor is it a sometimes type of thing...either you do it, or you dont, regardless of the source ;)
Provided the mites did actually enter his collection in the manner in which he described (well, one of them ;))

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

Would everyone please knock this off, it's retarded....I dont care who or where those snakes came from, they obviously weren't quarantined properly. Quarantining is not rocket science, nor is it a sometimes type of thing...either you do it, or you dont, regardless of the source ;)

Provided the mites did actually enter his collection in the manner in which he described (well, one of them ;))

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Well said. It sounds like Ed is trying to dodge responsibility for his actions....I have yet to see him offer any proof of where the mites came from (and if you can't prove it, I'd keep other peoples' names out of your mouth) nor an offer for compensation to April. What great customer service! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Adam's quarantine and business model is worlds better. I also have no doubt that Adam would have bent over backwards to make sure that his customer had satisfactory resolution, which Ed has not done, according to April. Just saying.

Quality vs. Quantity, Justin.

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I wasnt talking about the way they do things....

Im talking about them as people!!!

OH MY GOSH!!!!
I wish there was a slaping smilie.... Im not the one who brought up Adam vs Ed thing!!!! Im not going to explain myself anymore.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I told april that because that is what I believed at the time, not unheard of bringing in mites from live rodents from a pet shop.

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If you buy your feeder rodents from a pet shop, and at the same time state that getting hitchhiker mites from rodents purchased at a pet shop is not unheard of, I would guess that quarentining snakes will not assure that you don't get mites. I would suggest a closed breeding colony of feeder rats.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Everything is in seperate rooms. baby room, stuff for sale is another room and the main collection is like a no mans land. there is no way that if something like this happens that it could infect everything!

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

The protonymph stage lasts from three days to two weeks. This stage is mobile and may move considerable distances. Protonymphs are able to detect and are attracted by the smell of snakes. They require a blood meal to metamorphose to the next stage.

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As posted by frankykeno, and by someone prior, mites could have fallen off one of the snakes as it was being bagged, it could have gotten on your hand/arm as you bagged them, and onto the floor.. they are now on the move heading for other rooms in your house/building. Once you get mites and treat your snakes, that is not the end of mites.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

..it is common practice to ship more than 1 snake in a LARGE cloth bag.

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I personally think when dealing with a high end morph that is already stressed from the shipping, it would make more sense to bag them individually to give them some form of security. You can do it the way you want to do it, as you stated, but people have a right to know and choose to buy from you or not, based on that knowledge.

For stangs13: http://forum.explosm.net/images/smilies/slap.gif (Here ya go)


Rick

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Originally Posted by stangs13

I wasnt talking about the way they do things....

Im talking about them as people!!!

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Do you know them as people? I think this thread is out of control... :2cent: