How Low?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ssscales

Maybe we could try and get back on the discussion.
How low will they go?


Is there any solid guesstimates?

For example,
Albino Boas have dropped from $1000-$1200 on average to $600-$750 in the last 2yrs. I estimate Albino Boas may come down to $500ea on average next year and should hover around that price for the next 2-3, maybe even 4yrs.


Motley Boas may drop from $4500-$5000 to $3500 on average next year and will be expected to stay above $2000 for another 3-4, maybe even 5yrs.

Of course, quality and other variations play a role in pricing, but on average that's my expectation and anticipation on these Boa morphs.

Would anyone have thought Lessers would have come down from $20,000 to $5000 and even $2500 in less than a year?

Spiders from $5000 to $1000-$1500, Mojaves from $4000 to $800-$1400, Albinos from $2500 to $1000-$1500? Why?

What are your guesstimates and expectations for certain BP morphs within the next 1-3-5yrs? How low will they be driven and why? Is this supply & demand driven? Has the demand died down or has the supply increased so much to justify a 70%-90% drop in price by some/most of the breeders in less than a year?

As for why MKR dropped prices? My guess is about $70,000 in quick sales, who knows.

---

I think a lot of the price dropping has to do with over supply, at some point you get a lot of breeders suddenly appearing on the scene for the first time. Which makes for a very competative market and a number of these new sellers are market inexperienced and you get the price war effect amongst them.

When you see the market flooded with more and more sellers that are not the big timers like RDR, NERD etc they can have an effect on pricing. They will at some pont be able to force the big names to drop their prices somewhat because of their sheer numbers. You can't hold out forever at a higher price and keep seeing customers go elsewhere.

The bigger names will always cost you more because you are buying reputation and a name with the anmal.

Nothing wrong with that!

But when you have a lot of sellers peddling the same product, you have to expect prices to come down.

Notes:

-this thread is over 100 posts long and not one larger scale breeder on here has posted.

-a name is selling high end morphs at rediculous prices

-the name + his partner are doing it

-they want to give back to the customers

-most of the stock was already bought up by a breeder to prevent some nonsense

-they stated there are too many of these co-doms/doms. that they weren't rare, and were willing to sell the animals at an insane discount regardless to the fact that there is still a demand for those animals at high prices.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by shhhli

Notes:

-this thread is over 100 posts long and not one larger scale breeder on here has posted.

-a name is selling high end morphs at rediculous prices

-the name + his partner are doing it

-they want to give back to the customers

-most of the stock was already bought up by a breeder to prevent some nonsense

-they stated there are too many of these co-doms/doms. that they weren't rare, and were willing to sell the animals at an insane discount regardless to the fact that there is still a demand for those animals at high prices.

---

You won't see large scale breeders posting on here, simple as that!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xdeus

Personally, I think they're just dumping all of their males and will be getting all of the females up to weight as fast as possible. Next year or the year after they will probably flood the market with white snakes for $1,000 a pop. :confused:

---

My guess is they'll take another dump next year and in 2-3 years will have another large dump with Lessers around $1000-$2000 and about $5000 for those white snakes. :O

I don't think they dropped prices do with limited space, the older most of these morphs get the more their worth. The rule usually is, price your snakes and let them sit!

If they don't sell at $5000 as a baby, they cost you little to feed and will sooner or later sell for that $5000, if not more. Either as a juvi, yearling or sub, sooner or later they will sell for that $5000. I don't think it was space, I think it had to do with dumping some stock and making a quick buck.

Why waste time looking for 50 $5000 buyers over a 6-9 month period when you can drop to $2500 and have 100 buyers knocking down your doors. I would've preferred to price them slightly lower or in his case at least par with the Jimmy's and have let those snakes sit till they were sold.

It may have taken them 3-6-8 months, but they would've moved and at twice the money!

Just my opinion!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sputnik

You won't see large scale breeders posting on here, simple as that!

---

Of course not. Thats why they're the large scale breeders, they learn to ignore stuff like this and not let it ruffle their feathers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by shhhli

Notes:

-this thread is over 100 posts long and not one larger scale breeder on here has posted.

---

You forgot 100 posts of speculation.

It is fine and dandy for us to speculate all day long about the motives of this move but it's pure speculation at this point.

Contact MKR and ask Wes or Joe to post here and clear things up. If they do this then it will be up to you to take it for what it's worth. I think the truth is more simplistic than it appears :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cueball

You forgot 100 posts of speculation.

It is fine and dandy for us to speculate all day long about the motives of this move but it's pure speculation at this point.

Contact MKR and ask Wes or Joe to post here and clear things up. If they do this then it will be up to you to take it for what it's worth. I think the truth is more simplistic than it appears :cool:

---

I agree. It would be nice to hear what the source of all this has to say and end all the various points we could throw around all day.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cueball

You forgot 100 posts of speculation.

It is fine and dandy for us to speculate all day long about the motives of this move but it's pure speculation at this point.

Contact MKR and ask Wes or Joe to post here and clear things up. If they do this then it will be up to you to take it for what it's worth. I think the truth is more simplistic than it appears :cool:

---

Very true, I think the truth is very simplistic.... they crapped on everyone!

lol. i meant more like, people here who have more..ish.. anyways. call all you want, people dont always say whats in their mind. not to get crazy on anyone- im just saying. and if his only reason is to 'give back' that's total bs and he knows it.
mewl.

I could care less why one lone private breeder would undercut and dump prices. Prices have been dropping for months, Jimmy's undercutting each other week after week on KS driving prices lower and lower.

MKR gets more attention since they are/were considered a solid somewhat big name BP breeder in the ranks of RDR, NERD, VPI, etc. They made huge investments buying stock from RDR, NERD and the rest of those breeders and built a name for themselves within 5-6 years. All of a sudden, out of the blue they dropped a bomb by dumping prices to a new low!