ECLARK - mites

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Very strict quarantine procedures have ALWAYS been in place, if you reread my post it says I let my guard down on those snakes because I completly trusted the source and paid the price! I will never trust a snake from anyone after this.

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Yet another contradiction. Strict quarantine procedures are just that... STRICT. It's impossible to have strict quarantine procedures AND let your guard down.

BTW, Ed... I know mistakes can happen to anyone, and although I don't agree with your quarantine procedures or shipping multiple snakes in one bag, I understand that people do things differently.

However, I'm quite frankly appalled at your lying... either to April or the forum regarding where you picked up the mites. In addition, I find it inexcusible when you told April that the mites were "the gift that keeps on giving". :O That is beyond rude for anyone to say to someone that has a mite infestation, much less coming from the person that sold them $1,000+ worth of snakes. No offer of compensation. No sincere apology. Just a flippant attempt at humor to diffuse your responsibility and shortcomings.

Robin, why would you be stating that I have no quarantine practices when you know absolutly nothing about me, after that statement others followed your lead and echoed the same lie?

Lawrence, you are wrong about me lying to anyone, I had no idea at the time where the mites came from and was guessing.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Yet another contradiction. Strict quarantine procedures are just that... STRICT. It's impossible to have strict quarantine procedures AND let your guard down.

BTW, Ed... I know mistakes can happen to anyone, and although I don't agree with your quarantine procedures or shipping multiple snakes in one bag, I understand that people do things differently.

However, I'm quite frankly appalled at your lying... either to April or the forum regarding where you picked up the mites. In addition, I find it inexcusible when you told April that the mites were "the gift that keeps on giving". :O That is beyond rude for anyone to say to someone that has a mite infestation, much less coming from the person that sold them $1,000+ worth of snakes. No offer of compensation. No sincere apology. Just a flippant attempt at humor to diffuse your responsibility and shortcomings.

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Ed, I'm not in the business or hobby of selling or breeding ball pythons. However, imo and from what I have read and seen, appearances go a long way in this business.

You have several satisfied customers in here and I'm sure else where as well. And I never jump the gun till I have my facts straight. While you may have several good comments, all it takes is that one incident to cast a "shadow" on a person and the way they conduct business.

You sold April mite infested snakes. Add to it the fact that they were packaged together in one bag and that you made an irresponsible remark to her about "the gift that keeps on giving," I would say that you are not appearing in the best light in the current situation. The burden of proof and reparation are on your shoulders.

You can start making amends by offering April a few cans of provent-a-mite and absorb any costs of treating her collection should it be infested in the near future.

No one goes online and suddenly offers detail about their quarantine practices. But given the context of this thread and how the transaction took place, you should at least consider giving detailed description with pictures demonstrating your quarantine practices.

These few steps may or may not go a long way in mitigating your situation in other peoples eyes.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Lawrence, you are wrong about me lying to anyone, I had no idea at the time where the mites came from and was guessing.

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Perhaps not, but if you are unsure about the source of the mites, why would you implicate a large breeder like Brian? I know if I was Brian, I wouldn't be too happy if someone were throwing around allegations without proof. Have you discussed this with Brian, and did he admit to sending you snakes with mites?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Yet another contradiction. Strict quarantine procedures are just that... STRICT. It's impossible to have strict quarantine procedures AND let your guard down.

BTW, Ed... I know mistakes can happen to anyone, and although I don't agree with your quarantine procedures or shipping multiple snakes in one bag, I understand that people do things differently.

However, I'm quite frankly appalled at your lying... either to April or the forum regarding where you picked up the mites. In addition, I find it inexcusible when you told April that the mites were "the gift that keeps on giving". :O That is beyond rude for anyone to say to someone that has a mite infestation, much less coming from the person that sold them $1,000+ worth of snakes. No offer of compensation. No sincere apology. Just a flippant attempt at humor to diffuse your responsibility and shortcomings.

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Plus, April has 39 snakes. Imagine if they get mites or IBD? Let's all hope that doesnt happen to ANYONE. Either it be 1 snake, or a huge breeding collection.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Steve, it is common practice to ship more than 1 snake in a LARGE cloth bag. everyone has there own way of doing it, if you want to ship 1 to a bag.....dont criticise others for the way they do it.

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C'mon Ed, you know as well as I do that multiple snakes should not be bagged together.
Just because a so-called well known breeder does it, doesn't mean that we should do it as well.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Has anyone notified Brian Barczyk about this thread? He should at least have the option of replying to the implications that he is sending out mite infested snakes.

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yes

wonder if Brian will chime in here?

Wow, just too much to comment on thus far! Although I cannot say I'm suprised by these events in any way :(

I guess the biggest issue on mind my is, Why are you putting new snakes in such close proximity with snakes that you have sold months ago? They do not belong to you, and they are no longer yours. Surely you must have somewhere better to place new arrivals than with snakes that other people have paid thousands of dollars for :confuzd: Or do you feel safer playing roulette with other peoples animals rather than your own?