How Low?

I didnt call a spider a high end. I was referring to these animals MKR is ripping. regardless, dont tell me what i already know.

Here's a question for ya..... got to ask, why did he do it?


Do you really think he needs the money?

Did he do it to screw with other breeders just for fun?

I don't think the issue with what MKR did has much to do with money and more to do with some sort of mind game.

Kinda like this scenario.... A bus full of school kids is headed down the road. All seems fine, smooth ride, the kids are all chattering away. Driver sees a big hole up the road on the other side of the road.... so he deliberatly swerves to hit it. Gives the whole bus a big jolt... almost knocks everyone out of there seats.

Kids all stop chattering at what just happened.

Then all returns to normal.

Can you relate that to what has just happened?

Driver didn't need to hit the whole, he just wanted to so as to get a kick out of it and the reaction it caused!

Thats what i was wondering- who in their right mind would purposly ruin something that get them several big dollars?

And others have noted its right before Daytona..

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Here's a question for ya..... got to ask, why did he do it?


Do you really think he needs the money?

Did he do it to screw with other breeders just for fun?

I don't think the issue with what MKR did has much to do with money and more to do with some sort of mind game.

Kinda like this scenario.... A bus full of school kids is headed down the road. All seems fine, smooth ride, the kids are all chattering away. Driver sees a big hole up the road on the other side of the road.... so he deliberatly swerves to hit it. Gives the whole bus a big jolt... almost knocks everyone out of there seats.

Kids all stop chattering at what just happened.

Then all returns to normal.

Can you relate that to what has just happened?

Driver didn't need to hit the whole, he just wanted to so as to get a kick out of it and the reaction it caused!

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Maybe he is in finacinal trouble and he needs the money for his kids or health bills....I dont know the guy...but if you really needed the money to help your family....I think anyone might sell low. Maybe he needs it to fund a gambling problem? Who knows?

It's probably stupid for the long-term of your business, but I dont think it fair to call him "unethical" when we dont know the full stituation.

Maybe we could try and get back on the discussion.
How low will they go?


Is there any solid guesstimates?

For example,
Albino Boas have dropped from $1000-$1200 on average to $600-$750 in the last 2yrs. I estimate Albino Boas may come down to $500ea on average next year and should hover around that price for the next 2-3, maybe even 4yrs.


Motley Boas may drop from $4500-$5000 to $3500 on average next year and will be expected to stay above $2000 for another 3-4, maybe even 5yrs.

Of course, quality and other variations play a role in pricing, but on average that's my expectation and anticipation on these Boa morphs.

Would anyone have thought Lessers would have come down from $20,000 to $5000 and even $2500 in less than a year?

Spiders from $5000 to $1000-$1500, Mojaves from $4000 to $800-$1400, Albinos from $2500 to $1000-$1500? Why?

What are your guesstimates and expectations for certain BP morphs within the next 1-3-5yrs? How low will they be driven and why? Is this supply & demand driven? Has the demand died down or has the supply increased so much to justify a 70%-90% drop in price by some/most of the breeders in less than a year?

As for why MKR dropped prices? My guess is about $70,000 in quick sales, who knows.

Personally, I think they're just dumping all of their males and will be getting all of the females up to weight as fast as possible. Next year or the year after they will probably flood the market with white snakes for $1,000 a pop. What I don't understand is why they didn't wholesale the males instead of retailing them for the same price? It doesn't seem like any of the big breeders are speaking up, so who knows what's going on behind the scenes. :confused:

I don't think it was just financial...it's been pointed out several times that he could have sold all those animals at less of a discount than what he did easily...I'm thinking it was for all the exposure he has gotten...although I'm not sure this is the kind of exposure he was looking for...

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Maybe he is in finacinal trouble and he needs the money for his kids or health bills....I dont know the guy...but if you really needed the money to help your family....I think anyone might sell low. Maybe he needs it to fund a gambling problem? Who knows?

It's probably stupid for the long-term of your business, but I dont think it fair to call him "unethical" when we dont know the full stituation.

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I think it is more then fair to call it "unethical".... there are other ways to get around a debt when you have a business as big as he does..... probably a small loan would cover any debt that required him selling the amount of animals he did at the prices he did. Not to mention he sold those animals in a public area, he could of sold them at that price to another breeder behind the scenes without causing the problems he has.

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Although family problems, health bills etc. might be contributing factors and perhaps explantions for his actions it doesn't change the fact that what he did was an unethical business practice in the market he was in. If it wasn't it wouldn't have gotten such an uproar on this forum. I was looking into the ethics of his business only not his business and personal life as a whole. Would I be able to understand why he sold those snakes if his son or something had a terminal desease and needed to pay for treatment, sure I would. Would it change the fact that it was unethical, I don't think so, but thats my opinion. I can respect and see what you're saying though, its unfair to judge without knowing all the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

As for why MKR dropped prices? My guess is about $70,000 in quick sales, who knows.

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This would be my guess. If you produce alot of babies you either have to house them for a while until they all sell or drop the price dramatically and sell them all in a day or two. Then you don't have to house as many for as long. My arguement to that is that if you are breeding, you need to have the resources to properly house the babies for as long as you need to, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I don't think that he would be maliciously trying to screw everybody else. Why do that when you can make alot more money by maintaining market prices, or reducing prices to 5 or 10% below?