Pied-$$??

Wow, Jimmy really has this all figured out or has the seed been planted for this basement dwelling, hot chick having, sweat shop labor Jimmy dude?:P

After reviewing this thread in more detail I decided to review the plan again for sanity's sake. Whew, I'm still on track (elementary stage) with the plan. Just when you thought this thread was dying down huh LOL...???

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Originally Posted by ARamos8

Wow, Jimmy really has this all figured out or has the seed been planted for this basement dwelling, hot chick having, sweat shop labor Jimmy dude?:P

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I sure hope not!
I hope I didn't give anyone any ideas!

Now some 19yr old starts a business plan to breed Albinos and Pieds by the 100's for 1/2 of the market price, not too mention he thanks me for the idea 3yrs down the road at Daytona!!
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Who said Jimmy was 19? The GIRL is 19! Jimmy is prob 32. Or maybe I'm 32..Oh jeez, I've gone cross-eyed.

Well she may be a hottie but she sure as heck must be a dumb bunny. A hot 19 year old that is dating some wierdo 32 year old snake guy living in his mom's basement! :P

Hmm..When I was 19 I dated a hot 28 yr old and I lived in my mom's basement. Is that close?

Nice...:cool:

Wow guy's haven't been around for a long time but This has evolved into one of the best thread's i've read.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

This is where I'm stuck, who decides this time in space?

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I look to the people that have thier finger on the pulse of the market ... the big breeders. These guys are on the phone ALL DAY LONG talking to customers, they get thousands of emails from people inquiring about prices ... they know what the market will bear ... it's their livelyhood. Many of them have been breeding as their sole income for longer than a lot of people knew what ball pythons morphs were.

When a big breeder sets a price, it's because he/she knows that's what the market will bear and that is what they need to sell the animal at to meet their margins.

If you're a smaller breeder with less over head, hiding from the IRS, producing far less volume than the "big guys" and they are clearly showing you that there are buyers at a given price point ... why would you give up that 10% - 40%?? You're margins will be even better than theirs! ... Dollar for dollar you'll make more money than the top names in the business doing a lot less work!

I just don't understand the "I'll sell for less" mentality ... do these people not like money? Then why just sell for 25% less ... why not sell for the price of your expenses? I just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

And what about these quick shot breeders posting $1500-$1750 Albinos, there numbers will increase sooner or latter.

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You would think right? ... But I've been doing this for a while and it really isn't working out like that ... each year for the last 4 years I've heard people talk about the great pastel market crash ... well ya know what? I raised my pastel prices this year ... and my sales are right on track with my business plan ... I was shocked. At one point last spring I was even sucked in to the doom and gloom of the threat of markets crashing ... boy was I wrong! The quick shot guys are out there, but their effect isn't being felt just yet.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

Your assuming everyone breeding and selling snakes pays taxes or claims 100% of their income? You and I both know most will stay under the radar for years and years before ever forming an LLC, if ever.

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LMAO ... I'm not that stupid.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

Instead of raising cost to make the same profit, Jimmy holds back 2-5-10 females and increases production. All of a sudden, before you know it....Jimmy is cranking out 50-100+ Albinos at $1000 a pop.

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No way Jimmy is moving that much cash around without getting noticed by the IRS. Just not going to happen. You also have to take into account the time it takes to raise up a female to breed ... if Jimmy isn't smart enough to maximize his profit margins, how well is he going to do with the rest of his business over those 3 years?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

When a big breeder sets a price, it's because he/she knows that's what the market will bear and that is what they need to sell the animal at to meet their margins.

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Okay, but what exactly IS market price? It seems like many big breeder websites have outdated price lists. Most of the KS ads that have supposed market prices can be talked down considerably, some more than others. Do the big breeders get together and set a bottom price for their snakes amongst themselves? And how is a little breeder supposed to know what the big breeders have set a price at if it's not the MSRP?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Do the big breeders get together and set a bottom price for their snakes amongst themselves?

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LOL .... nooooo, I can't think of even 2 big breeders that could stand being in a room with each other for more than 2 minutes, let alone working together to set a price.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

And how is a little breeder supposed to know what the big breeders have set a price at if it's not the MSRP?

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For me, I pick up the phone ... I bug the POOP out of the big breeders all spring long ... "What's the price going to be on this, what's the price going to be on that" ... they always take the time to give me their thoughts on the market for each morph and the response that they are getting from customers.

Sometimes they all come in at around the same price ... sometimes there are larger gaps from one big breeder to the next ... I do my best to be "in the ballpark". ;)

LOVE THE AVATAR ... YOU COULD SELL THEM AT DAYTONA!

-adam