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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Why do all the other highly priced collectors' pets, like parrots, remain relatively stable for decades, and why do even many of the other highly priced reptiles stay relatively stable for years, while ball python morphs seem to be the only market of its kind to average 40% price drops every year?

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because it takes quite a bit to get birds to breed and then there is the rearing of the young handfeeding, you dont get alot of eggs, and there isnt half as many bird breeders out there. plus they dont import alot

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Basically their get rich scheme failed.

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NO, that's not it. It costs more to raise the parents, breed, feed , clean, start the babies, heat, etc than $130 per spider hatchling.

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Think about it every week they have to feed everything they have and if they haver a ton of snakes whether they breed the rats or not it still will cost more for them in the long run to keep so a lot are dumping them !

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I didnt make it through this thread so I dont know if anyone else posted my response before.

But I did take note of this post and it stuck with me... and Jamie is actually the creator of this thread:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49580

Breeding animals that can produce 6-11 babies EACH and not accounting for the cost of feeding, housing, space and time required is irresponsible. Having too many animals and too high of a cost to maintain is not an excuse EVER for dumping animals at prices way below than they should be.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

I didnt make it through this thread so I dont know if anyone else posted my response before.

But I did take note of this post and it stuck with me... and Jamie is actually the creator of this thread:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=49580

Breeding animals that can produce 6-11 babies EACH and not accounting for the cost of feeding, housing, space and time required is irresponsible. Having too many animals and too high of a cost to maintain is not an excuse EVER for dumping animals at prices way below than they should be.

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Who are you, or anyone else for that matter to decide what HIS prices "should" be? It's appalling that there are so many people that think it is okay to dictate to others how to run THIER business, or how to price THIER ball pythons. What country do we live in again??

To be honest, such statements REEK of greed IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jared

Who are you, or anyone else for that matter to decide what HIS prices "should" be? It's appalling that there are so many people that think it is okay to dictate to others how to run THIER business, or how to price THIER ball pythons. What country do we live in again??

To be honest, such statements REEK of greed IMO.

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Did I comment on his prices specifically or people that lower prices in general? Do you come out your face without knowledge of anything all the time or is this a special occasion we are witnessing?

We dont dictate anything. He can sell at what he wants. Market crashing is the end result.

You buy your dream house at $225,000 3 years ago. Everyone in your neighborhood starts foreclosing....tons of homes on the market for cheap. Guess what just happened to your dream house's value.

You own stock in Sprint. It's valued at $4 a share. Everyone decides Sprint sucks and starts dumping their shares. Your stock is now worthless.

Welcome to America.

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If you can't put 2+2 together, people dropping prices on *their(not thier btw)* BPs make your BPs' values drop. Doesnt matter to you if theyre just pets, but those with money invested in their businesses don't like to watch their product depreciate because someone can't afford to house what they knowingly produced and crash the market. Greed has nothing to do with it.

lol.. Your lack of business and economic knowledge is beyond obvious. Your "points" regarding the housing market and Wall Street actually make what my point would be. The market will dictate the price. If you think a snake, or stock, or home is priced well below what the price "should be", then fork up the cash and buy it.

If I own shares of Sprint, and the share price drops to half of what I paid for it.. what do I do??? Not what you would do, that's for sure.. I BUY MORE. The term is cost averaging, if you are going to "play" in the stock market, or any other market for that matter, I suggest you do a little research first, and have a strategy.

Seems like I must have touched on a sensitive point for you. Remember though, we are all entitled to our own opinions. You certainly don't have to agree with me, and spouting off over the internet with such non-sensical phrases as

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

"Do you come out your face without knowledge"

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do not prove your point, let alone make any sense whatsoever.

PS. People that make the type of grammatical mistakes that you made above should never point out simple typing errors like reversing the ei in their. lol :D:D

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Did I comment on his prices specifically or people that lower prices in general? Do you come out your face without knowledge of anything all the time or is this a special occasion we are witnessing?

We dont dictate anything. He can sell at what he wants. Market crashing is the end result.

You buy your dream house at $225,000 3 years ago. Everyone in your neighborhood starts foreclosing....tons of homes on the market for cheap. Guess what just happened to your dream house's value.

You own stock in Sprint. It's valued at $4 a share. Everyone decides Sprint sucks and starts dumping their shares. Your stock is now worthless.

Welcome to America.

P.S.
If you can't put 2+2 together, people dropping prices on *their(not thier btw)* BPs make your BPs' values drop. Doesnt matter to you if theyre just pets, but those with money invested in their businesses don't like to watch their product depreciate because someone can't afford to house what they knowingly produced and crash the market. Greed has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by monk90222

NO, that's not it. It costs more to raise the parents, breed, feed , clean, start the babies, heat, etc than $130 per spider hatchling.

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the operating costs of the business are high period in this business, but at the same time if they are not selling for the price that everyone else is charging then those costs increase the longer you hold on to every snake.

when you cannot afford to increase your own operating cost then what should you do?
i know someone is going to come in here and say they would keep them all if they dont sell, but my response to that will be is then you are not producing that many animals. no one can afford to hold back multiple clutches every year and the reason would be the operating costs.

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Originally Posted by nixer

the operating costs of the business are high period in this business, but at the same time if they are not selling for the price that everyone else is charging then those costs increase the longer you hold on to every snake.

when you cannot afford to increase your own operating cost then what should you do?
i know someone is going to come in here and say they would keep them all if they dont sell, but my response to that will be is then you are not producing that many animals. no one can afford to hold back multiple clutches every year and the reason would be the operating costs.

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Actually the longer you keep it, the more $$ you can sell it for. Hold on to a female spider for 2 years and its worth almost $800...thats a far cry from a $130 hatchling.

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Originally Posted by nixer

because it takes quite a bit to get birds to breed and then there is the rearing of the young handfeeding, you dont get alot of eggs, and there isnt half as many bird breeders out there. plus they dont import alot

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I raise and hand feed my baby ball pythons. Plus, with over 20 breeders, I only got two clutches this year. Plus, how many spiders are imported each year? Less than there are parrots. Plus, there are hundreds of times more people buying multiple ball python morphs than there are buying parrots. Plus, people who buy ball pythons will typically buy several to dozens to hundreds of ball pythons, where people who by parrots, might by 2-3, with a majority probably only having a single parrot.

What about the other reptiles that hold their value? What about the bottoming out prices on ball morphs typically being lower than cost?

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Originally Posted by monk90222

Actually the longer you keep it, the more $$ you can sell it for. Hold on to a female spider for 2 years and its worth almost $800...thats a far cry from a $130 hatchling.

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sure but you missed the point. say you produced 20 spiders this year and none sold. it takes money to feed them all. and when it comes to your family and everything else you should be picking your family and thats what the op did.