Man feeds puppy to boa.. wait... what?

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Your right.... I'll leave that to the court :8:

As for the different people having different notions....sure. If you don't care where it was done, you might want to check again and start caring. You may think this is a game now, or not that bad...but what happens when you lose your right to keep your animals because of something like this?..

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because i disagree with you I'm playing games? you're really showing how open to things you are, weren't you the one who was just saying how accepting you are? you're twisting my words and intentions quite fantastically thanks you, and all because I don't agree with you.

we'll have to agree to disagree and you should learn what is involved in having a discussion where everyone will not line up their opinions to suit your whims.

Qik, I'm a little confused about where your stance is on this... First you were saying it was wrong that people discriminate against reptiles and that this should be seen as a reptile abuse case in addition to the a dog abuse case, but later on, I feel like you're trying to say we should respect that it's ok and it's someone's personal decision to feed a dog to a snake if it is consistent with their beliefs. But don't many of us know all to well about discrimination against reptiles, and the consequences of that? Do you believe that it's right that this happened in America? This didn't occur in a country that condones this.

Let's all be nice though, we're friends here :)

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

but where it happened there are laws against this.

Ones notions have nothing to do with it.

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laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake, as far as I'm aware they're both animals, mammals even, I don't it should matter whether or not a few people consider them feeder animals. At one point they were all considered lab animals too.

Twisting words...no. What you said just answered it. This is all based on morals and opinions. No one will have the exact same opinion. This is why there are so many fights on the forums. Use for example, hybrids. This however was just sick and wrong. Obviously not just in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake, as far as I'm aware they're both animals, mammals even, I don't it should matter whether or not a few people consider them feeder animals. At one point they were all considered lab animals too.

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A. This was not the Boa's normal diet. as puppies are not just laying around on the corner ready to be picked off.

B. did he have to coat the dog in veg oil to feed it to the Boa? I mean that can not be very healthy for the snake either.

C. What gave him the right to show off the feeding to the two 15 year old kids? Which hopefully were the ones who turned his stupid a** in. and didn't think it was "cool".


:hmm:

I think you need to look at WHY he fed the puppy to the snake to see if it consitutes curelty..If he oiled down a three week old puppy to feed a 8 foot snake in front of two teenagers, i think it points towards stupidity and curelty..

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake

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THIS instance is sick and wrong yes. this guy is quite sadistic. but what i'm arguing against is passing judgement based on what you think. I don't appreciate animals being tortured for enjoyment, but as the 'elightened' society we consider ourselves we make categories within categories. we are on of the very few cultures who will make such a huge distinction between a rat and a dog, many just consider it all food. so saying it's intrinsically wrong to feed a dog to a snake is biased on the morals of our society. this started because i wanted others to appreciate a view besides their own, but that didn't so much happen. yes this happened here where we have laws against it, but what i'm questioning is why this happened, because i think it's unfair to judge the welfare of one creature more severely than another.

meme what does that have to do with what i said? my statement said nothing about health concerns, and in fact what you quoted was a response to a rather circular arguement i was having with andrewh

*holy crap, lets all jump on the bandwagon, i don't condone cruelty and never said i did

Arguement? You haven't been in many to tell the difference, have you?...


Let me ask you this...

All my animals are in perfect, tip top shape. They breed, lay healthy clutches, and feed regularly. Lets say I took a healthy puppy and fed it to one of my African Rocks. Does it make it right? I mean, both animals are healthy right? It's just like feeding a rat or rabbit, as you said....

Even done in other countries it could still effect us. Someone see's them feeding on a dog, or cat in another country. Pictures or video, what have you...they look at them as dangerous. It could spark more fear and interest to our hobby that were trying to avoid and steer clear of already. The general public fears our animals and hobby as is. Why enforce it?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

meme what does that have to do with what i said? my statement said nothing about health concerns, and in fact what you quoted was a response to a rather circular arguement i was having with andrewh

*holy crap, lets all jump on the bandwagon, i don't condone cruelty and never said i did

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this is what you said and I should have quoted you better. :oops:

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

laws against cruelty, and if it is not considered cruel to feed a rat to a snake then it should not be cruel to feed a dog to a snake

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

A. This was not the Boa's normal diet. as puppies are not just laying around on the corner ready to be picked off.

B. did he have to coat the dog in veg oil to feed it to the Boa? I mean that can not be very healthy for the snake either.

C. What gave him the right to show off the feeding to the two 15 year old kids? Which hopefully were the ones who turned his stupid a** in. and didn't think it was "cool".


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This was clearly some of the cruelty they were speaking of. Not just the fact that he fed the puppy to the Boa.

7 pages arguing over feeding? Comparing dogs to... rats?

The way I see it, whenever you go to a reptile shop to buy a mouse/rat, what goes through your mind? Nothing, as there is no loss to buying a cheap rodent when feeding it to your snake (except the money paid for it). What were their sole purpose of life? Not to be raised as pets, much like dogs/cats are.

Anyway, this is only gonna give snake keepers bad rep. As far as show casing the feeding, most have us have posted pictures and/or videos of feedings. So we really can't jump on him for that.