Culling Healthy Animals

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Originally Posted by bad-one

I think I speak for most people that frequent here: whether I buy a snake for $10 or $1,000 doesn't matter, they are both my pets and get treated the same.

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The people to worry about are not the people who come here. We are the minority in my arguement. I am the same way, and so are most of the people here I suspect.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

After this thread dies, I'll go back to lurking, which is really all I have time to do alot of...posting this much is a huge time sink.

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And then the big boys all ganged up on me and said mean things.....

Go. lurk, sink not.

Please.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

My "most affordable" snake was 11 dollars. She was a rescue. She has a place here, for the rest of her life in my collection. She is JUST as important to me as the animals I paid more than 11 dollars for. She's priceless to me.

Why can't you muster up a little more faith in humanity?

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Again, you are not the problem on the husbandry end. None of us are that frequent places like this. The problem is, the snakes end up in the "dude hold my beer while I go get my python" person's hand, who will untilmately lose interest. Then what happens? Why not keep back 10% and just use them as feeders, and avoid some of that crap?

My faith in humanity is blown, thats pretty clear. People though, are predictable to a very high degree of probablility. The life of a large, unattractive and god forbid, mean python, can be nearly as predictable IMHO. Thats why I try to avoid that when and where I can.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

After this thread dies, I'll go back to lurking, which is really all I have time to do alot of...posting this much is a huge time sink.

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You're telling me.
You say you can come here and debate this and not lose any sales. You have admonished folks here calling them "money grubbing fiends" I believe it was. The fact that you would think you would lose sales by discussing this in a venue where you are more well known kinda throws you in that category. I forgot to mention that I do know who you are. You have lots of carpets. You purchased an already established forum. Good for you.
BTW, I'm not sure if you are all too familiar with Mr. Wysocki, but in referring to him as a "money grubbing fiend" you could not be more wrong.
When this goes away you can go back to killing healthy babies for your own selfish reasons and we will forget that you ever posted here.
See there....we can agree to disagree. Hey, at least that's somethin.

Okay, I have another question.

If you did not have any animals to feed your unwanted snakes to, would you still cull them?

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

The people to worry about are not the people who come here. We are the minority in my arguement. I am the same way, and so are most of the people here I suspect.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

Again, you are not the problem on the husbandry end. None of us are that frequent places like this. The problem is, the snakes end up in the "dude hold my beer while I go get my python" person's hand, who will untilmately lose interest. Then what happens? Why not keep back 10% and just use them as feeders, and avoid some of that crap?

My faith in humanity is blown, thats pretty clear. People though, are predictable to a very high degree of probablility. The life of a large, unattractive and god forbid, mean python, can be nearly as predictable IMHO. Thats why I try to avoid that when and where I can.

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Except that there are a lot of breeders who are trying to change that. Rabernet has given you concrete examples,and I know for a fact that Adam is there LONG after the sale of his animals and that he takes calls from people who have never purchased anything from him just so he can help. There are a lot of other people who share the same views of the two aforementioned people.

I plan on breeding BPs starting in the next few years. And i've thought heavily about this. I am fully prepared to keep every animal i produce if I can't find it a home that meets my requirements. Any first time ball python owner will be getting a black and white copy of my book, my cell phone number and my e-mail so that they have the information they need and the means to get it. Like Rabernet, i will be there long after the animal finds a home in case someone needs me. Animals that are no longer wanted will be coming back to my collection to either stay with me or find a new home with another owner.

Once again, education is the key.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And then the big boys all ganged up on me and said mean things.....

Go. lurk, sink not.

Please.

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Do you think you are making yourself look good? I blew you away in our debate, and now all you do is insult me. Wow...you have a ton of character. not much has changed since the BOI way back when though I guess. Same dude...same debating logic...same response when he loses.

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Originally Posted by Eventide

Okay, I have another question.

If you did not have any animals to feed your unwanted snakes to, would you still cull them?

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No. Thats why I bought them. They were purchased after I determined I shouldn't be dumping all of my offspring into the marketplace unwanted. i don't have the heart to throw them in a freezer.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

No. Thats why I bought them. They were purchased after I determined I shouldn't be dumping all of my offspring into the marketplace unwanted. i don't have the heart to throw them in a freezer.

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on a slight tangent... if there is no freezer, how do you cull your animals?

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Originally Posted by waltah!

Y "money grubbing fiends" .

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Mr. Wysoki intended to show that I was in this position to make money somehow. I am pointing out clearly by using that term, that I am not the guy who is making more money with the less caring model...anyone who advocates creating tons of animals with no regard to where they will go and who will end up with them is in fact the evil doer. Sorry you don't like the term, but if you are going to try to make me look like I am somehow in this for my own selfsish gains, then I have the right to come back at you.

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