Small potatoes?

Weren't you leaving, KMG?

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Back... away... from... the... keyboard.

Unless some of you were lying in the past, you hold positions of authority in the 'real world'. You're behaving in a way that brings your competency in those roles into question entirely. Think about the way you're acting and get ahold of yourselves.




I've gotten a handful of infractions. The first time or 2 my stomach dropped, I felt embarrassed, and somewhat aggravated when I disagreed with the reasoning for it. I think I even challenged one or two of them. At the end of the day none of it mattered. The points system decays over time. You really have to go nuts consistently or go WAY over the line to get infracted to a point where it makes an impact on your experience with the website IE being able to visit, post, etc. If I end up getting infracted again int he future, I'm not going to worry about it.

Oops! and moving along.

I do see the point about protocol, etc. I do think rules were broken though. I don't think, unless a particular mod starts slapping questionable infractions left and right, that a thread like this is warranted. I don't think it is EVER appropriate. If you have an issue with a mod, start a discussion in private. I'm positive they spend plenty of time coordinating and discussing with one another behind the scenes. Take a trip to any other internet forum community. BP.net is TIGHT. Everything is going to be OK... and I have to agree that if you have such a problem that you're getting hot and bothered and taking personal offense, take a minute to chill out. If it still bugs you then please go away - you're bringing bad vibes to my playground.

Wow this whole thing has gotten way out of control. Mike has been walking the line for quite some time with bad taste and smart alac comments. ( in fact I got my first warning because Mike decided to chime in on one of my comments and Mock me! ) So I got frustrated and used bad language. Forget that though, I Do agree with the administration on this one. This is JUST a forum, ( a virtual world if you will ) No one gets killed in here, no one suffers any pain and no one goes hungry. Its entertainment and if the worst case should happen and you get banned , well im pretty sure you all will survive! If that is not the case , then maybe priorities should be put in better order. KMG, I have no problems with you because you do help alot of people here and you give good advice unlike some on here that have Giant egos and believe that their way is the only way even when its wrong. ( I think the staff should ban members that continually give bad advice to other users looking for sound advice IMO. ) But KMG you know as well as me that you can not fight the system. It was designed to keep order even at the expense of the innocent sometimes. Lord knows I have been on the receiving end many of times.

I have had 3 infractions :(

At first I stayed home, and cried and cried. I ate a tub of ice cream. I watched "50 things I hate about you" 4 times in a row.

Then I got over it.

This is a silly thread. Although I agree it's important that everyone be treated nicely, at the end of the day this is a club. when I grew up, if a member of my club wasn't in my good books, they got kicked out. I didn't have to give them a reason.

The biggest thing here to remember is that we as mods are human, at the end of the day we all log off sit down to dinner and watch Conan like everyone else. When you allow rules as complex and encompassing as the ones needed for a site like this to be enforced by as many different people as we have here there will be small snags from time to time, different interpretations and so on . We're not infallible by any means, we welcome user questions and even discussions regarding the rules and their enforcement its how we grow as a site to keep up with the ever changing digital times, with some small requests. Mainly make your requests in the proper way i.e. PM, be mindful of wording as intent is very difficult to convey in written form for allot of us, see many of us are old brissly, battle worn vets who from time to time feel like the certain situations are more of a full on attack than a "What the hell did I do?" because again we're human.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I'm not being a drama queen, i've gotten other infractions and haven't put up much of a stink. My problem with this one is that I was still within the rules since no warning had been issued. The rules clearly state "a warning WILL be issued".

"You had it coming. If you poke the bear enough, you're gunna get bit" is a load of BS imo. He already wanted to give me an infraction and just used this as an opportunity to.

It's over and done with, as I said, I learned what I learned.

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I do like you, and you do contribute quite a bit to our site, so don't think I'm saying this out of spite or hate. I'm just tired of the whole "I don't deserve this" thing. I really do hope you have lived and learned, because this is just silly.


First of all you've had plenty of experience with our "zero point warnings". Second, we don't have to give you a warning for every flippin' thing you do. You're fully aware of how this site works.

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Please be Careful -- 0 point Warning
A warning for minor infractions to those who may be new and unsure of our rules, as well as to long-standing members who accidentally let something slip but have no other current warnings or infractions on their account.

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You have an unexpired infraction, which correlates quite nicely to this incident funny enough.

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

Second, we don't have to give you a warning for every flippin' thing you do. You're fully aware of how this site works.

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But don't the rules say that no infractions will be issued without a warning?? I thought this included "0 point infractions"....

BTW, comments like the above are what make people worried about the use power by the mods (not saying that's me...just saying what many people will say). It is just common courtesy to let people know why they are getting in trouble for and why before the hammer drops; we expect the same from our law enforcement officers...is it too much to ask from our mods??

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

But don't the rules say that no infractions will be issued without a warning?? I thought this included "0 point infractions"....

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No a zero point infraction is your warning. Now some of the time we mods will pull our parent tone and ask that things settle down or move in a different direction if we want to try and be ubber nice.

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BTW, comments like the above are what make people worried about the use power by the mods (not saying that's me...just saying what many people will say). It is just common courtesy to let people know why they are getting in trouble for and why before the hammer drops; we expect the same from our law enforcement officers...is it too much to ask from our mods??

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Is it to much to as that members know and abide by the the rules of a site they partisapate in? We're not Law enforcement we volenteer and do so for free..

But the rules do say

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APPEALS
Infraction Points earned may be appealed, but NOT openly debated in the public forums. If you feel you have unfairly received an Infraction, you MUST send a Private Message to any one of the admins (JLC, rabernet, dr del) to have your case reviewed. Public complaint will not help your case and may hurt it.

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21. All members are responsible for reading and understanding the full content of the TOS and Site Rules. The Administrators (and their staff) reserve the right to determine what constitutes proper use of Ball-Pythons.net. They have final judgment on whether or not the Site Rules and/or Terms of Service have been violated and what the consequences of said violations will be.


CONSEQUENCES: Violations of these rules may result in the member earning Infraction Points. In rare cases, an immediate ban may be applied at the discretion of the site administrators.

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It is just common courtesy to let people know why they are getting in trouble for and why before the hammer drops; we expect the same from our law enforcement officers...is it too much to ask from our mods??

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Just a comment on this logic - A law enforcement officer is not expected to warn me before issuing a citation. I'm expected to know the law as it applies to me. Warnings are courtesies.

Well about warnings... This is how I see that dilemma... if Your account Is Clean You never had Infraction history then Yes We will issue warning first... But Even then in some specific cases we can Skip it... i case of Mike that wasn't his first "ride"... and If I was looking at that before Mark did I will Issue Infraction as well.

As Many times many people in this tread said: Moderators and Admins are Only Humans and Many times we let some thing Slide (even when we shouldn't) and there are times when we could overreact little as well.

When You get Infraction You can appeal of course if your request was denied just live with it and get over with it...

Reading this tread I sometimes have feeling that I'm looking on Pre-School kids krying because they was send to the corner...

Now Please... lets get back to Snake talk... User of this forum Need More Yours and Ours Knowledge and Advice and definitely less FORUM Drama

Mkay ???