If it's too good to be true....

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Originally Posted by Reakt20

When you start selling those $100 albino males, make sure you let me know!!:D

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I'll buy them all and leave you REALLY good feedback!;);)

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Okay. Here's another whine. "I'm not crashing the market..." comments when no one has ever said you(or any small breeder) was going to make the market crash. That's all in YOU misreading over and over.

Since it's seriously obvious that you don't care what anyone writes, you'll just read what you want to see, I'll give up on it.

You do what you want. Breed your fifty clutches. Obviously there's no one in your area. You're the bomb for everything. All the other breeders are lined up panting to buy your snakes because not one of them cares that you undercut them and say they're "ripping off" people by selling higher.

Have fun with that. I'll enjoy my animals and enjoy chatting with all the breeders and herp-keepers without slitting their throats and belittling them. It works for me. But different strokes for different folks.

*bows out of the thread*

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Again you didnt get it. I dont sell all my animals at discounted prices. I never said i did. I said i price some of my over stock animals lower to blow em out and sell them quick so i dont have to sit on them. The animals im talking about for example would be spiders or pastels produced out of bee breedings or cinnamons produced out of say pewter breedings or the normals that come out from said breedings. Surplus not mainstay animals. And we are talking a small amount of animals. This is a buisness for me so i have to protect the bottom line. From a buisness standpoint it makes no scense for me to hold on to an animal and feed them and house them to the point of taking a loss just to hold out for an extra couple bucks that may not come. Those animals i price aggresively. What am i doing wrong. If anything im helping my bottom line as well as hooking a few customers up with good deals. Its a win win. What part of that do you have a problem with. Im not breeding animals to have a huge collection of pets. I do this because i love the hobby and i love the buisness and at the end of the day it is a buisness. I cut my prices to the point of hurting my buisness. I produce good quality animals off of good stock. I price the majority of my animals at fair market value. Again i ask what part of that do you have a problem with? It was you who attacked me on my buisness ethics before even understanding what i was saying. I understand that the majority of people on here are looking at it from a pet owners, or hobbyist point of view and thats great but you have to look at it from a buisness point of view as well if your going to argue with me over it. I gaurantee if you were looking for a particular animal and i had that animal you would be more then happy with my quality and you would be more then happy with my prices as well.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

I gaurantee if you were looking for a particular animal and i had that animal you would be more then happy with my quality and you would be more then happy with my prices as well.

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And I can guarantee that even at half that price some would still pass.

Do you know why?

I don't want to get dragged into an ugly debate, but I need to say one thing.

I am a very new breeder. Only one clutch of my own to my name, three normals and two vanillas.

I took my babies to a local show. I had $25 on my normals, even though many other people had them for $15. I sold all three in 2 hours. Most of the people with $15 babies, were packing them up at the end of the show.

I had $250 on my vanilla males. Someone I know from 3 tables away had two of his own at $300. Even though he is a much bigger and better known breeder compared to unknown me, I sold both of those males. It was to friends of mine. One is my rat supplier, and the other a breeder I've purchased from. Both of these people were very impressed by the quality of my babies, and both agreed they would have paid more if I had asked it.

Want to know the kicker ? The other guy came over, looked at my vanillas, and said "Dang those are nice, I wish I'd produced them." He said nothing about the lower price, nor did he lower his price. I saw him at Tinley this past weekend, and he had sold his snakes for what he was asking for them.

Bottom line for the OP, don't underestimate what people will be willing to pay for your animals. I would rather people think I had quality animals by pricing them at or above market value, than to wonder what is wrong with my animals that I have to sell them so cheaply. That is not the image I want as a new breeder.

Gale

It would be nice if there was an official "market price". Maybe someone could publish a "Ball Python Blue Book". I'd buy a subscription! :)

After having already veered rather off topic...this thread is about to explode majorly off the tracks...so it is temporarily closed for maintenance while I split out a couple posts and allow a new thread to be started. The new thread will be in the Inquiry/Feedback forum and I will link to it when I'm finished.

Alright...all tidied up. If you wish to continue discussing business models and how new breeders should consider pricing their animals...please do so here.

If you want to talk about snake lab or Chris Guida or any of that, please do so here:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ue...-quot-%29

(That is NOT in QT...no special permissions needed. :P )

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Since there are quite a few breeders of BPs in NJ, you might wonder why none of them have hooked up with you yet. If you have some poor attitude that you'll undercut everyone's prices to move all your snakes fast, I wouldn't care to deal with you locally either. Just saying. Maybe in real life, you're a great person and all, but from the big attitude here towards just throwing your snakes away for trashy prices to move them fast and undercut other people's prices, it's not an attitude I care for.

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Wow, I don't think that's what I was asking at all. It had nothing to do with undercutting people to make a sale and to blow out my animals and move them quickly, but everything to do with getting my name out there and trying to build a reputation for good animals. My original albino example may have been a bit extreme, but it was truly only an example. I honestly didn't know how people felt about a new breeder selling at lower than average prices...hence my original question.

And in throwing out my question about NJ breeders, I found there WERE a number of NJ breeders however the bigger guys aren't online - which is where I checked - or aren't computer savy. So being blown off wasn't a personal affront and a refusal to do business with me, it was just a lack of technical understanding.

I would hope people would want to deal with me locally. I've already connected with so many fantastic people that I'm truly excited to see what happens with the future; I hope my enthusiasm, and the care I give to my animals, will speak for themselves. And anyone is welcome to my home to see my animals - but try to steal one and you'll have 2 dogs and an armed boyfriend on you in seconds. ;)

...sorry Judy... Please don't be mad! :please:

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wow how did this go from asking a question to being accussed of undercutting nj breeders(what did i miss)

first off most of us in this part of nj didnt even know there were any nj breeders ,since they cant be found.
the only one i found on line and got back to me was beth evans.
just in the last few pages of this thread did i even here any names of nj breeders.