Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

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Decided to go with paper eh? If you are going to use that. Check into this stuff. I know a lot of the boa breeders use. Me and Skip Frye had a chat about using it over substrate. This is for the 2 foot deep cages. Would have to change it for the 30 inch deep cages. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail...Flute-24-x-250

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Just on paper while her mouth is healing up. I've got 6 blocks of pro coco on standby. Just didn't want dirt and stuff getting into her swollen face


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Just on paper while her mouth is healing up. I've got 6 blocks of pro coco on standby. Just didn't want dirt and stuff getting into her swollen face


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Weenie!! Rub some dirt on it and go back to work!! Thats what i was always told when i was a kid and fell lol. I've pretty much accepted that Caesar will always have some scrape on him as he is like a wreckless little kid haha. I got him a big potted Pothos and he seems to love it. He has wrapped around it and been inspecting it haha. Gonna get the big boas and Caesar each another big Pothos for the cool sides later as they arent cheap. I remember when plants were cheap as dirt lol. Now they are kind of expensive especially the big ones. I mean $50 for a big plant without a pot or dirt......

Well, went 5 days after feeding and she’s been smashing her face in the cage doors all day... I give up. She’s just going to eat every 5-6 days and get fat I guess? That or have a permanently disfigured face


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Well, went 5 days after feeding and she’s been smashing her face in the cage doors all day... I give up. She’s just going to eat every 5-6 days and get fat I guess? That or have a permanently disfigured face


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Try a live plant!! Get yourself a decent sized potted pothos and see if that helps. I swear it has helped with Caesar a TON. He still will windshield wipe the doors sometimes when he wants attention but overall it has cut his pushing down to almost nothing. I am really thinking the smell of piss or ammonia or whatever was making him push to get out. The plant eliminates the odors. If it doesnt work, you will have a pet plant lol.

I say pothos since they seem to be the most easy to care for and are growing like weeds even under just LED cage lighting. The prayer plant is doing ok but not as nice looking as at the nursery lol. And the parlor palm looks like hell warmed over lol. Plus the snakes can kind of crawl on the pothos without wiping it out and it will grow like a ground vine so will look pretty nice once it starts growing outward.

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Try a live plant!! Get yourself a decent sized potted pothos and see if that helps. I swear it has helped with Caesar a TON. He still will windshield wipe the doors sometimes when he wants attention but overall it has cut his pushing down to almost nothing. I am really thinking the smell of piss or ammonia or whatever was making him push to get out. The plant eliminates the odors. If it doesnt work, you will have a pet plant lol.

I say pothos since they seem to be the most easy to care for and are growing like weeds even under just LED cage lighting. The prayer plant is doing ok but not as nice looking as at the nursery lol. And the parlor palm looks like hell warmed over lol. Plus the snakes can kind of crawl on the pothos without wiping it out and it will grow like a ground vine so will look pretty nice once it starts growing outward.

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Lol I’ll give it a shot. I could take out her cool side hide and put a plant over there I suppose. I think you’re underestimating the crushing power of Phyllis’s enormous body with that plant though hahaha! I wish you could come handle this snake and really see how huge she got. It’s crazy


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Lol I’ll give it a shot. I could take out her cool side hide and put a plant over there I suppose. I think you’re underestimating the crushing power of Phyllis’s enormous body with that plant though hahaha! I wish you could come handle this snake and really see how huge she got. It’s crazy


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Lol, well Caesar inspected his plant for a few days mostly by just sticking his head in there. He never tried to climb through it though. Here is hopefully a helpful pic. I couldnt really open the door more as Caesar was stretched out on the other side on the litter dam during his nightly open door sessions haha. The pot is is 8 inches across i think and made from terra cotta. Just the plain pot. The roughness would also work well as something to rub on the help shed too. I just put the plant in front of the closed side of the hide. So Caesar still has full access to his cool hide and can still sit on top of it but the plant gives him a sense of 'cover' too as it is starting to vine so it can overhang the hide entrance a little.
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Lol I’ll give it a shot. I could take out her cool side hide and put a plant over there I suppose. I think you’re underestimating the crushing power of Phyllis’s enormous body with that plant though hahaha! I wish you could come handle this snake and really see how huge she got. It’s crazy


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Oh and i can imagine. Destructo Dottie tried to sit and curl up on top of the Poor Prayer plant which is why it is kind of messed up looking lol. She basically flattened it so i took it out and put it in Gina's cage and it is starting to kind of look like a plant again haha.

Phyllis got a plant... and nothing else changed. Pooped at day 5 like usual and then began her destruction program as usual. Gonna try adding belly heat and see if that fixes anything just because she curled up on the top of her cage above her RHP when I let her out to cruise the room last night and stayed there for close to an hour. She initially began pushing when she moved into her full T8 in September/October of 2016, previous to that she had belly heat when she was in half of a T8 and in her 20L before that. Pretty confident I’ve tried everything else that could be a reason for pushing aside from her potentially looking to breed but I won’t even consider trying that until next season if at all


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What are all the things that you have tried without luck to stop the pushing?

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What are all the things that you have tried without luck to stop the pushing?

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Increased temps, lowered temps, increased humidity, lowered humidity, coco chip bedding to aspen to coco to paper back to coco, bigger hides, smaller hides, extra hides, less hides, bigger prey less frequently, smaller prey more frequently, larger prey more frequently, alternating smaller and larger prey from week to week, added cage clutter, reduced cage clutter, gave her water bottle “toys” to push around, live plant cover and fake plant cover, daily free roaming sessions in the room or yard for at least an hour, larger water bowl, smaller water bowl, every possible combination of all of the above variables. Only two things I haven’t tried yet is putting her back in a 4’ cage. Currently in a 72”x30”x18”, I could put her back in her old 48”x24”x12” but that would barely be enough room for her and the water bowl definitely no room for hides. Just added flexwatt back under her warm hide to see if that fixes anything but she’s due to eat tonight anyway so that will keep her quiet for 4-5 days... then back to destroying her face


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Man, that sucks. Caesar is fairly quiet now. At night he does windshield a little and once in awhile will test the center pillar but he doesnt really push unless its close to dinner day. He drop a HUGE piss last night as well as little one and then track it around on the top of his hide. And this is right after i put in the nice clean cypress :mad: And Vicky did it to so double :mad::mad:. Looks like you have tried everything short of giving her a boyfriend lol. Maybe she smells Gerald and wants some luvin. :taz:

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Man, that sucks. Caesar is fairly quiet now. At night he does windshield a little and once in awhile will test the center pillar but he doesnt really push unless its close to dinner day. He drop a HUGE piss last night as well as little one and then track it around on the top of his hide. And this is right after i put in the nice clean cypress :mad: And Vicky did it to so double :mad::mad:. Looks like you have tried everything short of giving her a boyfriend lol. Maybe she smells Gerald and wants some luvin. :taz:

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Everyone needs some good luvin! Even retics:O:D

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Man, that sucks. Caesar is fairly quiet now. At night he does windshield a little and once in awhile will test the center pillar but he doesnt really push unless its close to dinner day. He drop a HUGE piss last night as well as little one and then track it around on the top of his hide. And this is right after i put in the nice clean cypress :mad: And Vicky did it to so double :mad::mad:. Looks like you have tried everything short of giving her a boyfriend lol. Maybe she smells Gerald and wants some luvin. :taz:

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I’ve been half tempted to put Gerald in with her just to see what happens. She’s been doing this since before he was ever in the same room though. As much as I would like to breed them at some point, with how rambunctious they both are I’m beginning to wonder how much I really want a whole clutch of their babies to start dealing with their own eventual pushing problems...


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I’ve been half tempted to put Gerald in with her just to see what happens. She’s been doing this since before he was ever in the same room though. As much as I would like to breed them at some point, with how rambunctious they both are I’m beginning to wonder how much I really want a whole clutch of their babies to start dealing with their own eventual pushing problems...


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HAHAHAHA. Yeah, imagine a whole little army of Phyllis' pushing around in tubs lol. That is the main reason i really havent gone more in on retics. I was pulling my hair out when Caesar pushed. He ALWAYS had a new scrape on his chin or something. Luckily he has mellowed out a lot. I couldnt handle it with a small of them.

Maybe you would luck out and end up with all well mannered non pushing retic babies......or......:O

After almost two weeks in shed cycle Phyllis has a new coat of paint and her face looks much much better. Still not 100% but substantially better.
Gave me nearly 11’ of shed, obviously with some significant stretching but she may be more like 9.5’ now. Also took the most enormous crap ever in her mulch tub. Had been holding in the waste from a guinea pig and colossal rat for the last couple weeks. Weighed in at 20.5lbs right after. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e9d27aea60.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a218ce5588.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...babeb19251.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ef52911de.jpg


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It doesn't get much better!

Perfect size and nice, lean and mean like retics should be!

Keep up the good work sir, she's a stunner.

Whats wrong with her face though?? Sorry, couldnt resist haha.

In case anyone wondered what the degree of cage destruction was by day 7 after feeding... 🤦 https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...05ed36fa38.jpg
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Sometimes I don’t know about her... she’s a lot to deal with


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In case anyone wondered what the degree of cage destruction was by day 7 after feeding... 🤦 https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...05ed36fa38.jpg
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Hahaha, that what Caesar used to do. Wait until Phyllis starts pushing the hides across the bare cage floor. Almost as bad as fingernails on a chalkboard.....especially late at night lol.

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Hahaha, that what Caesar used to do. Wait until Phyllis starts pushing the hides across the bare cage floor. Almost as bad as fingernails on a chalkboard.....especially late at night lol.

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No waiting required. That’s what she’s doing in these pics, and every night all night starting at day 4-5. Even her just cruising over her coco chips makes a terrible squeaking type sound similar to the hides. And I’ve been having to sleep in that room and listen to those damn hides getting pushed around for the last couple weeks but my ex just moved out today so I got to rehabilitate my bedroom again. Peace and quiet restored.


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No waiting required. That’s what she’s doing in these pics, and every night all night starting at day 4-5. Even her just cruising over her coco chips makes a terrible squeaking type sound similar to the hides. And I’ve been having to sleep in that room and listen to those damn hides getting pushed around for the last couple weeks but my ex just moved out today so I got to rehabilitate my bedroom again. Peace and quiet restored.


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Lol too funny man. Buy a retic they said. It will be cool they said. They are fun they said. :D

On a side note, i have been getting Caesar all worked up. At night he usually cruises around. I wait until his head on a far side of the cage and i quietly slide open the opposite door and give his a tail a little flick. Boy, they gets him going. Never seen a snake spin around and come flying with mouth open. I swear, the guy has the mentality of bite first, sample if food second when his lights are out. If he knows it's me, he is really laid back but if he doesnt know, he comes flying full steam ahead. Dude is definitely not a shy snake. I couldnt imagine he would live long in the wild as he would probably just slither up to people and get killed...or try and eat them...and get killed. Since i got the new Feed tongs, i no longer have anything to satisfy the adrenaline junkie in me haha.

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Lol too funny man. Buy a retic they said. It will be cool they said. They are fun they said. [emoji3]

On a side note, i have been getting Caesar all worked up. At night he usually cruises around. I wait until his head on a far side of the cage and i quietly slide open the opposite door and give his a tail a little flick. Boy, they gets him going. Never seen a snake spin around and come flying with mouth open. I swear, the guy has the mentality of bite first, sample if food second when his lights are out. If he knows it's me, he is really laid back but if he doesnt know, he comes flying full steam ahead. Dude is definitely not a shy snake. I couldnt imagine he would live long in the wild as he would probably just slither up to people and get killed...or try and eat them...and get killed. Since i got the new Feed tongs, i no longer have anything to satisfy the adrenaline junkie in me haha.

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They’re very inquisitive they said. Such a joy to work with they said. lol
Oh man do they hate having their tails messed with! Never seen a snake react so fast as when I touch either Phyllis or Gerald’s tail to coax them back into their cages. Lightning quick reflexes hahaha. I commented to my breeder friend how Phyllis was thrilled about me having to deal with her snagged lip one time and his response was “Lmao! Pinch her tail...” 🤣
As far as long tongs and adrenaline rush, Phyllis is still quite the adrenaline boost when feeding even with 40” tongs. She means serious, dangerous business when it comes to food. She hasn’t missed a shot in months but when she does my heart sure does skip a beat. 20lbs of teeth and muscle flying ~3’ out of the cage will get your attention quick fast and in a hurry

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They’re very inquisitive they said. Such a joy to work with they said. lol
Oh man do they hate having their tails messed with! Never seen a snake react so fast as when I touch either Phyllis or Gerald’s tail to coax them back into their cages. Lightning quick reflexes hahaha. I commented to my breeder friend how Phyllis was thrilled about me having to deal with her snagged lip one time and his response was “Lmao! Pinch her tail...” 🤣
As far as long tongs and adrenaline rush, Phyllis is still quite the adrenaline boost when feeding even with 40” tongs. She means serious, dangerous business when it comes to food. She hasn’t missed a shot in months but when she does my heart sure does skip a beat. 20lbs of teeth and muscle flying ~3’ out of the cage will get your attention quick fast and in a hurry

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Haha. Yeah the 42 inch tongs are heaven. So for me, it's like those shaving cream commercials with the guy sliding on his belly down a soap slide with those the big tongs compared to the sphincter puckering rollercoaster ride of the BBQ tongs lol.

And yeah, no one told me about retics and their tails. The first time i found out was when Caesar was on his shelf and knocked his Acurite off and i went to put it back up and shoved his tail with it. He spun around and almost got my arm. Was so quick, not sure if his mouth was open or not but he hit my arm. Now i just do it to get him all worked up sometimes haha. One day i'll probably get tagged and scream like a girl and pee myself but until then, its fun getting Caesar all worked up sometimes.

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Haha. Yeah the 42 inch tongs are heaven. So for me, it's like those shaving cream commercials with the guy sliding on his belly down a soap slide with those the big tongs compared to the sphincter puckering rollercoaster ride of the BBQ tongs lol.

And yeah, no one told me about retics and their tails. The first time i found out was when Caesar was on his shelf and knocked his Acurite off and i went to put it back up and shoved his tail with it. He spun around and almost got my arm. Was so quick, not sure if his mouth was open or not but he hit my arm. Now i just do it to get him all worked up sometimes haha. One day i'll probably get tagged and scream like a girl and pee myself but until then, its fun getting Caesar all worked up sometimes.

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LOL! I did not know about the tail thing and was putting Rainbow back the other day. She was going in her enclosure and slowed to a stop. Was trying to help her get that tail in and went to lift it. She whipped me with her tail smacking my hand and looked at me like "How rude!"

Quick question. I went to take her out last night and she greeted me at the door face first. I tapped her side to get her to turn her head but she kept moving it back. She knew I was taking her out. Not sure if she was challenging me or was just ready for some freedom? She was not tensed up but was looking me right in the face. I did get her to turn eventually but she was determined for a min to come out face first. No issues once out though. I am gentle with her and she is gentle with me. Was this her way of saying no she doesn't want out or just saying ok I am ready?

So much to learn about my big girl.

Ya'll are a bad influence....now I want to go mess with my little guys tail to see his reaction.

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Ya'll are a bad influence....now I want to go mess with my little guys tail to see his reaction.

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I guess it is the same as grabbing a sexy woman's booty without permission. LOL

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I guess it is the same as grabbing a sexy woman's booty without permission. LOL

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Or grabbing anyone’s anything without their permission... Consent is not just important, it is mandatory.


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Or grabbing anyone’s anything without their permission... Consent is not just important, it is mandatory.


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So true.

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Ya'll are a bad influence....now I want to go mess with my little guys tail to see his reaction.

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ATBs generally have the same reaction, you have one, so go mess with it's tail too.
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My Olive is the same. If you touch the last 6 inches of her tail, it’s instant attack!
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ATBs generally have the same reaction, you have one, so go mess with it's tail too.
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Hmm He is in blue right now and wont even see it coming. :devilish:

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My Olive is the same. If you touch the last 6 inches of her tail, it’s instant attack!
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Good lord, Reinz! That is one smoking hot critter!

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Good lord, Reinz! That is one smoking hot critter!

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Thanks! So far she fits the descriptions and characteristics of what y’all say about your Retics, except for face pushing and waste production. But then she’s only 7 months.
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LOL! I did not know about the tail thing and was putting Rainbow back the other day. She was going in her enclosure and slowed to a stop. Was trying to help her get that tail in and went to lift it. She whipped me with her tail smacking my hand and looked at me like "How rude!"

Quick question. I went to take her out last night and she greeted me at the door face first. I tapped her side to get her to turn her head but she kept moving it back. She knew I was taking her out. Not sure if she was challenging me or was just ready for some freedom? She was not tensed up but was looking me right in the face. I did get her to turn eventually but she was determined for a min to come out face first. No issues once out though. I am gentle with her and she is gentle with me. Was this her way of saying no she doesn't want out or just saying ok I am ready?

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Lol yeah Caesar whips me with his tail if he knows i am the one bugging him. Caesar always greets me at the door. Not a challenge, just either thinks food might be coming or he is getting some attention. Like i said, he is the only snake i have seen that likes petting. Not a fan of being dragged out of his cage unless he wants to but he sure does love the petting.

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Ya'll are a bad influence....now I want to go mess with my little guys tail to see his reaction.

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Lol try it. When Caesar didnt know it was me, he spun around and took a shot. He hit my arm but I'm still not sure if his mouth was open or not. When he knows its me, he just swats my hand with his tail. Kind of like when i bug his body. He will shove my hand away lol.

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My Olive is the same. If you touch the last 6 inches of her tail, it’s instant attack!
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Nice Olive.

My tic is broken. He flinched and took off running away. My carpet and one of my corns spun around ready to fight but stopped when they realized it was me.

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My tic is broken. He flinched and took off running away. My carpet and one of my corns spun around ready to fight but stopped when they realized it was me.

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Lol Caesar turned around and took a shot at me before he knew it was me. Still dont know if his mouth was open and i got lucky or if it was closed and he just head butted me but i felt him hit my arm back by the arm pit lol. My boas dont seem to care much or they are used to me bugging their tails. Havent tried it on Pat and dont plan too. The little worm has never taken a shot at me and i dont want it to start haha.

Day three after feeding and she’s just smashing the hell out of her face again. At this point I’m almost seriously considering trying to rehome her because this is just stressing me out excessively. I’m at the end of my wits here


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Thanks! So far she fits the descriptions and characteristics of what y’all say about your Retics, except for face pushing and waste production. But then she’s only 7 months.
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7 months?! She’s huge!😳😳 Super stunner, though.

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Day three after feeding and she’s just smashing the hell out of her face again. At this point I’m almost seriously considering trying to rehome her because this is just stressing me out excessively. I’m at the end of my wits here


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You know man, I'm beginning to wonder if it is something else other than food that is driving her to push so hard so often. As to what it could be, I have no idea but the past few weeks Caesar has been fairly good. He does a little pushing here and there but nothing like a few months ago. I think his pushing was wanting a girlfriend.

On a side note, Dottie has been going crazy recently with pushing and really active. Also if i rub her back, she arches up. Bot sure if she is wanting to breed or what as she is usually really quiet.

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You know man, I'm beginning to wonder if it is something else other than food that is driving her to push so hard so often. As to what it could be, I have no idea but the past few weeks Caesar has been fairly good. He does a little pushing here and there but nothing like a few months ago. I think his pushing was wanting a girlfriend.

On a side note, Dottie has been going crazy recently with pushing and really active. Also if i rub her back, she arches up. Bot sure if she is wanting to breed or what as she is usually really quiet.

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I think it’s possible that she’s picking up Gerald’s scent and is feeling a bit randy but I’m not in the position to breed them and she’s a bit young. It was also about this time last year that her pushing got really bad and larger prey helped a bit. Honestly she probably just needs to be slammed with food, a colossal rat in her is hardly noticeable. She could probably take a 3lb rabbit no problem. I just don’t have a rabbit supplier at the moment and need to work through my last big cheese order before I re stock. I’ll probably feed her more frequently or give her two colossal rats next time I feed
Also starting to really think she’s got some kayuadi or jampea blood in her as she measured just about 10’ yesterday. Never heard of a two year old kalatoa getting that big that fast
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Wow! 10 feet at two years. Someone sure ate all of their vitamins. :)

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I think it’s possible that she’s picking up Gerald’s scent and is feeling a bit randy but I’m not in the position to breed them and she’s a bit young. It was also about this time last year that her pushing got really bad and larger prey helped a bit. Honestly she probably just needs to be slammed with food, a colossal rat in her is hardly noticeable. She could probably take a 3lb rabbit no problem. I just don’t have a rabbit supplier at the moment and need to work through my last big cheese order before I re stock. I’ll probably feed her more frequently or give her two colossal rats next time I feed
Also starting to really think she’s got some kayuadi or jampea blood in her as she measured just about 10’ yesterday. Never heard of a two year old kalatoa getting that big that fast
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She looks awesome. Maybe you are right. I mean 10 feet is pretty big. Even Caesar whos is 31.5% dwarf and 30% mainland is about 8 feet and i slammed him food and he still eats every 10 days. Or maybe your girl is just a big girl that got fed nice and good and wasnt stunted by some sob who wanted to keep their snake small at the cost of the snakes well being. Not saying anyone on this forum does that with their retics, just saying i've seen it on FB a lot.

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Wow! 10 feet at two years. Someone sure ate all of their vitamins. :)

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Well, two years and three months but yeah... I think she’s juicing behind my back


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She looks awesome. Maybe you are right. I mean 10 feet is pretty big. Even Caesar whos is 31.5% dwarf and 30% mainland is about 8 feet and i slammed him food and he still eats every 10 days. Or maybe your girl is just a big girl that got fed nice and good and wasnt stunted by some sob who wanted to keep their snake small at the cost of the snakes well being. Not saying anyone on this forum does that with their retics, just saying i've seen it on FB a lot.

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Yeah, sometimes they just grow. I’ve got a FB buddy with a 15yr old pure kalatoa that is 9-10’ and can take a 4lb rabbit. His certainly wasn’t that big at 2yrs though. I’m thinking Phyllis will top 12’+ at this rate. Gotta have other locale blood influences for a supposed SD to get this size this quickly. Also just gave her another colossal rat right now at day 4. Hopefully she chills out for a bit


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Yeah, sometimes they just grow. I’ve got a FB buddy with a 15yr old pure kalatoa that is 9-10’ and can take a 4lb rabbit. His certainly wasn’t that big at 2yrs though. I’m thinking Phyllis will top 12’+ at this rate. Gotta have other locale blood influences for a supposed SD to get this size this quickly. Also just gave her another colossal rat right now at day 4. Hopefully she chills out for a bit


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Haha, i just fed Caesar an XXL guinea pig. He pounded that thing like it was a tic tac and was still out and about after......maybe I'll try a XXXL guinea pig next.

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Haha, i just fed Caesar an XXL guinea pig. He pounded that thing like it was a tic tac and was still out and about after......maybe I'll try a XXXL guinea pig next.

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I hear ya! Phyllis pounds 4xl guinea pigs and could easily take a 5xl imo which I may order for her next. That or maybe I’ll try to get ahold of monster feeders to get some rabbits


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I hear ya! Phyllis pounds 4xl guinea pigs and could easily take a 5xl imo which I may order for her next. That or maybe I’ll try to get ahold of monster feeders to get some rabbits


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The gal at the reptile shop finally has a reliable source for rabbits so i might get Caesar one too lol.

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Yeah, sometimes they just grow. I’ve got a FB buddy with a 15yr old pure kalatoa that is 9-10’ and can take a 4lb rabbit. His certainly wasn’t that big at 2yrs though. I’m thinking Phyllis will top 12’+ at this rate. Gotta have other locale blood influences for a supposed SD to get this size this quickly. Also just gave her another colossal rat right now at day 4. Hopefully she chills out for a bit


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Hey man,

Don't let her go and don't think she's necessarily a mix. She could just be a big girl and she is likely topping off.

I swear ceiling space and perches make life more interesting for them. I'm only of limited experience here but I've never had a pushing issue, and Wallace is getting bigger but I don't expect him to be much over 9 feet.

You've got a pretty girl there with a beautiful natural pattern. I think she's probably slowing in growth.


Hold the course and try a few new options before you decide to re-home her. I'd be bummed.

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Hey man,

Don't let her go and don't think she's necessarily a mix. She could just be a big girl and she is likely topping off.

I swear ceiling space and perches make life more interesting for them. I'm only of limited experience here but I've never had a pushing issue, and Wallace is getting bigger but I don't expect him to be much over 9 feet.

You've got a pretty girl there with a beautiful natural pattern. I think she's probably slowing in growth.


Hold the course and try a few new options before you decide to re-home her. I'd be bummed.

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Honestly I’d be crushed to get rid of her, I was more or less just venting some frustration. I hope she’s starting to top off as well. I think she just needs substantially larger prey to keep her calm. Additional perches and such are things I’d like to offer her at some point but right now I’m in no position to be ordering 8’ cages nor do I have space for one. Even when I gave her the bigger cage her pushing didn’t really change. I think she’s just a big, beautiful butthead in that way. I may rig up one big perch at some point and see if she uses it but she hardly even uses the shelf anymore since she got so big. We’ll see though.
She does look suspiciously like a kayuadi if you look at pics of those compared to kalatoa though. I wouldn’t be surprised as everyone else I’ve talked to has said she’s about the biggest two year old SD they’ve ever heard of


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I personally think it may be Gerald as that is really the only thing left. I dont think the height or perches would make a difference. I mean it could but you see so many people keeping these huge retics in little cages and they do fine. And some people actually say putting them in bigger cages can make them push more or start pushing. I have Caesar in the same size cage with a shelf and all and like i said, he has mellowed out on pushing BIG time. I did catch him pushing a little a few nights ago but that was close to dinner time. Now I'm not sure if you have a shelf, i thought you did. Caesar does spend a decent amount of time on his shelf.