Big snakes, small enclosures.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Snakes need to eat, thermoregulate and breed. They don't run marathons. They don't live in closets, though many do prefer tight enclosed spaces for long durations, most do not gather socially and none of the species discussed here do at all.

Anthropomorphism.

Bigger is better for us and may induce what appears to be reptilian exercise or exploration but how do we know it's not just a snake looking for a comfy spot to curl up and wait for it's next meal and not the assumed snake out for a slither to visit friends?

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Sometimes it may be harsh, but the way you analyze things crack me up. I know your not trying to be funny, but i get a kick out of it. You are definately unique. lol. It's great!

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Originally Posted by zackw419

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There's the rub.

Who's IMO is more valid? Is anyone's? If so, why? From there rules, guidleines, standards, all evolve.

Yes, snakes like to curl up in tight spaces. Sometimes they like to go hunt. Sometimes they like to swim. Sometimes they like to do other things.

We should be offering them the ability to choose.

Chris

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Originally Posted by mumps

Yes, snakes like to curl up in tight spaces. Sometimes they like to go hunt. Sometimes they like to swim. Sometimes they like to do other things.

We should be offering them the ability to choose.

Chris

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Those of us who are trying to simulate a natural environment, yes.

Those who are keeping and breeding but not trying to recreate the great outdoors indoors, no.

Standards and obligations. There are none of one and lack of definition for the other.

It's words like SHOULD, and MUST, ONLY and HAVE TO; they just irritate me.

They imply that things must be a certain way when in fact the do not have to be. Not everyone can see an implication as just that, something implied. They are unable to differentiate it from law, which is also rather arbitrary when you come right down to it, and a recommended but not mandatory, way of accomplishing a goal.

Like I have implied and am now stating, do it if you feel like it but don't assume your snake needs/wants/or appreciates what you have done.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

JP, I have been there too in the big snake room, and there were no Monitors in racks, and the very few giants he has had we're being properly caged and lovingly cared for.

Have these animals grown? Heck yea they have, such the need for larger caging.

Sounds like you are opening your mouth and spewing a load.... :rolleyes:

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I have all the respect in the world for Brian, but I don't see the need to put a 6' Nile monitor in a 5'6" tub for feeding purposes. Especially when it is recommended that monitors have a cage twice their length. I wouldn't want to move a possibly still hungry 6' Nile that could rip your finger off, I don't even like messing with Niles half that size. Or upset the monitors stomach and have it regurgitate.
About 4:30 in on this video= YouTube - SnakeBytesTV- Our diggs and a huge Monitor lizard feeding!!!

I don't suppose you saw where that particular monitor was kept as a 'non feeding' cage?

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Originally Posted by AjBalls

I have all the respect in the world for Brian, but I don't see the need to put a 6' Nile monitor in a 5'6" tub for feeding purposes. Especially when it is recommended that monitors have a cage twice their length.
About 4:30 in on this video= YouTube - SnakeBytesTV- Our diggs and a huge Monitor lizard feeding!!!

I don't suppose you saw where that particular monitor was kept as a 'non feeding' cage?

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Have you ever watched a monitor eviscerate its food and then proceed to beat said food all over the cage to insure that said food was in fact completely dead and not only dead but tenderized to the point of possibly being mistaken for soup?

If you have then you know why he feeds in a small, plastic, easily cleaned container.

If you haven't, now you know why he feeds in a small, plastic, easily cleaned container.

In this video at 6:20 he states that the monitor is in the tub as its 8ft enclosure is being rebuilt as a 10ft enclosure (tubs=temporary):

YouTube - BHB Visit - April 2008 - Part 3

if it was for easy cleaning I dont understand why he would of put down substrate. Had he not done that cleaning would of been even easier

Aaron here, your local Expert on Everything that is nothing.

I personally believe a lot of people are preaching their opinions as fact, or they are arguing about nothing.

If you disagree with the way he takes care of his animals then don't support him. At the end of the day all this moaning and groaning is about 10-20KB of data in a Database that has no physical presence. In short, it means nothing.

Hi,

I always wondered that about giants.

How much substrate do they need to absorb enough of the waste products that it no longer means they are sitting in their own effluent?

I know it only soaks it up rather than them sitting in liquid but is there a bare minimum you would need to use to avoid problems to the animal in the times between pooping or peeing it and the owner noticing and cleaning it out?

I know with my ball pythons a couple of sheets of newspaper seems to be enough that they always have a dry spot if it's an overnight poop frenzy but with a huuge burm or retic wouldn't that just disintegrate and float away?


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