I have no experience with snowboarding but boy does my imagination have some ideas.
Your opinion is suspect at best, laughable at least, and pathetic in general. You don't know squat from personal experience but are ready to condemn those who do.
Are you, by chance, a graduate of rutgers?
You don't have to personally own a WC Gravid to figure out that it's a messed up thing to do.
01-14-2009, 10:32 PM
wilomn
Re: WC Gravids?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronP
You don't have to personally own a WC Gravid to figure out that it's a messed up thing to do.
And without ever owning one you'll never know the satisfaction at getting eggs and then mom to feed. You'll never know if you could do it. You'll never have the experience to have actual first hand knowledge when you condemn people for doing what you cannot.
But hey, it's cool right?
01-15-2009, 12:52 AM
BPHERP
Re: WC Gravids?
The more this practice continues, the more essential responsible breeders become, because if they "field collect" them to near or even full extinction, we are it people.
01-15-2009, 01:19 AM
anatess
Re: WC Gravids?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nixer
this post is so unfounded and the link is utter crap if you read it they rounded up every cat on the island this by now means compares to that.
as for hunting every person who hunts my farm limits out every year LEGALLY and the last day of the season i saw another 30+ deer going to my place. and these animals will do just what your article says they would strip the land and make all other animals die off! if you wanna spend more time worrying about something perhaps you should worry more about deforestation world wide.
also then if all that goes together why dont we stop feeding other nations! let them starve also its not our fault they overpopulated
I apologize, I did not explain my position clearly. What I am trying to say is that, people without scientific evidence or people who did not do field study of the entire flora and fauna of the environment saying things like "lets hunt this and that to control the population of such-and-such" or something similar. You even said it in your reply - that the deer will strip the land and make all other animals die off. That's exactly my point - these types of statements need to have scientific backing.
I am not against hunting. My husband hunts deer and ducks and fish. I am just saying a lot of hunters say things like "we're controlling the deer population" without definite scientific evidence. This is the same thing as saying buying (or not buying - whichever side of the fence you're on) WC bp's could affect the African fauna... it's a ridiculous argument. Nixer, you said my post was unfounded... that's interesting because what I was trying to say is that I would IGNORE any argument that uses unfounded environmental impact reasoning! So, how can the post be unfounded? I wasn't stating scientific evidence. I was trying to say there is NONE. I linked to that news article to prove my point that even the experts who think they got everything all thought out and studied and researched could still make a huge mistake by thinking they know the environmental impacts of taking out an entire feral cat population. I wasn't juxtaposing the feral cats with WC bp's. This line in the article sums up what I was trying to point out:
"The unintended consequences of the cat-removal project show the dangers of meddling with an ecosystem — even with the best of intentions — without thinking long and hard, the study said."
But then, this is really not the discussion. The discussion is WC gravids... so let's get back to that.
01-15-2009, 10:54 AM
AaronP
Re: WC Gravids?
Quote:
Originally Posted by wilomn
And without ever owning one you'll never know the satisfaction at getting eggs and then mom to feed. You'll never know if you could do it.
I don't care to find out, I get enough joy from getting stubborn CBs to eat and breed and to successfully lay their eggs. If I want to find something more challenging I'll choose another species, not import a gravid female.
01-16-2009, 03:58 PM
Freakie_frog
Re: WC Gravids?
Due to the accusations being thrown around that the Importing of Gravid Ball Pythons was illegal. The staff decided to research the accuracy of these statements.
The information that follows was collected by me from first hand sources and in no way reflects in one way or another BP.net and any position that we have in regards to the subject.
I had a nice long conference call conversation with the Head of the Federal CITES Regulation and Inspection Department along with the Spokesperson for the Import/Export Legal Research Department.
The importing of "gravid" ball pythons is legal!! The gravid condition is not a required declaration for importation. There are "That they are aware of" no local state wide laws regarding the regulation of Gravid reptiles in regards to sale or welfare.
However baby's hatched from females that are sold as "Wild Caught Gravid" must be labeled and resold as "Wild Caught Animals" and not Captive Hatched or Captive Bred as per the US Wildlife Fish and Game Department.
01-16-2009, 04:37 PM
AaronP
Re: WC Gravids?
Good job guys. I never thought they were illegal to begin with, but I strongly disagree with the practice.
