Pit Bulls

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I've talked about this. Sigfried and Roy had similar sweet tigers. They were then about 2 seconds away from being a one man act. My wolf/husky and bobcat/bengal/house cat will be just as sweet when I'm done raising them. That doesn't change their geneticly aggressive disposition. I continue to say that pits can make wonderful sweet pets with the proper upbringing. That doesn't change what they are. And once again, why do people who want an overly aggressive killer of a dog always buy a pitbull? No reason, I'm sure.

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I addressed this in another post. Pits have a tenacity, a gameness to them and pound for pound I don't believe there is a stronger more capable dog for what these nasty people want... What I'm telling you is that when properly bred, they're not overly aggressive at all... their abuse begins very early on oops, I mean their training begins very early on and they do become monsters. Pit bulls aren't wild animals that react on instinct to everything... like lions, tigers, wolves... THEY'RE JUST DOGS!

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Originally Posted by gibbrishclown

I addressed this in another post. Pits have a tenacity, a gameness to them and pound for pound I don't believe there is a stronger more capable dog for what these nasty people want... What I'm telling you is that when properly bred, they're not overly aggressive at all... their abuse begins very early on oops, I mean their training begins very early on and they do become monsters. Pit bulls aren't wild animals that react on instinct to everything... like lions, tigers, wolves... THEY'RE JUST DOGS!

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Wolves are just dogs. So are Dingos, the first true dogs. Do these need training to become killers? Does anyone honestly think that the data is so skewed that the 500x-1000x danger rate of pits can ever be adjusted to show that they are no more dangerous than most other breeds? Even if 1/2 of all cases are 100% a direct result of the owners' abuse? Anyone?

aggresive DOGS(not just pits) are not born, they are raised. same goes for human criminals. liveing things are not born to kill or commit crimes, (unless for food, but i mean as against the law) i hate the fact that people assume pitbulls are so dangerous. I have heard so many times that pitbulls should be outlawed, but that person owns guns...just as those pets, guns dont kill people, people kill people...i see so many pitbulls that are so kind, and playfull. In fact if you havnt noticed, palmeranians are far more vicious than pitbulls..lol

sorry for mispelling.

You make some good points, but sorry, wolves are WILD ANIMALS. They have an innate fear of humans and instinctive aggression towards other dogs. Mixing them with huskies has been known to bring out the worst traits in both breeds. A pit bull is a domesticated animal. I don't have statistics on ownership, but don't you think there are FAR more owners of pit bulls than there are of wolf hybrids? If there were just as many hybrids as pit bulls, I think there might be a more striking comparison in data. IMO keeping a wolf is just like keeping a tiger as a pet.

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Originally Posted by bonez

aggresive DOGS(not just pits) are not born, they are raised. same goes for human criminals. liveing things are not born to kill or commit crimes, (unless for food, but i mean as against the law) i hate the fact that people assume pitbulls are so dangerous. I have heard so many times that pitbulls should be outlawed, but that person owns guns...just as those pets, guns dont kill people, people kill people...i see so many pitbulls that are so kind, and playfull. In fact if you havnt noticed, palmeranians are far more vicious than pitbulls..lol

sorry for mispelling.

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You are making WAY more assumptions in that paragraph than I have in this entire thread. Pomeranians might be more aggressive than pits. So you admit that different breeds of dogs have different inborn tendancies as far as aggression goes. That's a good start. And let's not get into human inborn tendancies.

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Originally Posted by darkangel

You make some good points, but sorry, wolves are WILD ANIMALS. They have an innate fear of humans and instinctive aggression towards other dogs. Mixing them with huskies has been known to bring out the worst traits in both breeds. A pit bull is a domesticated animal. I don't have statistics on ownership, but don't you think there are FAR more owners of pit bulls than there are of wolf hybrids? If there were just as many hybrids as pit bulls, I think there might be a more striking comparison in data. IMO keeping a wolf is just like keeping a tiger as a pet.

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Wolves are wild animals, not bred bred to be man's best friend. However, pitbulls were not bred to be man's best friend, either. Again, I like pits and think they can be trained to make great pets, but I don't think that their predisposition can ever be overlooked, whether you paint their nails pink and give them pink fringey collars or not (my girlfriend's friend does this). Wolf hybrids are potentially dangerous, wild animals. At least I know this and admit it and would take the proper precautions while NEVER underestimate there instinctual aggression and capabilities. Since I keep giving direct replies, why don't you give a realistic and thought out response to my questions about the data on deaths and maimings committed by pits compared to other breeds. And why hasn't anybody commented on my awesome little rott/mix puppy in his argyle sweater?

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Originally Posted by bonez

aggresive DOGS(not just pits) are not born, they are raised. same goes for human criminals. liveing things are not born to kill or commit crimes, (unless for food, but i mean as against the law) i hate the fact that people assume pitbulls are so dangerous. I have heard so many times that pitbulls should be outlawed, but that person owns guns...just as those pets, guns dont kill people, people kill people...i see so many pitbulls that are so kind, and playfull. In fact if you havnt noticed, palmeranians are far more vicious than pitbulls..lol

sorry for mispelling.

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Also, if Poms are more aggressive than pits, that doesn't change the fact that pits are some of the most powerful dogs. They are aggressive, and when they want to get you, you're not going to walk away from that fight looking very pretty, if at all. GTP's are way more aggressive than sea krates, but I'll take on 10,000 aggressive chondros before I let a single bad intentioned krate near me.

LOL I like your rottie mix in his little sweater, I have a rottie/husky mix myself:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9...xiecopyyh3.jpg
I feel like I have responded directly to you concerning the data. I responded that I feel the majority of this is improper ownership. I agree that these dogs are bred to be aggressive towards other dogs, but I don't agree that they are aggressive towards people. And I think in most cases of this aggression, the owner was not properly restraining, controlling, training, handling the dog. No dog should be loose in a public place. No dog should be allowed to run free with unfamiliar dogs. I know you don't want to listen to me say this but I think the biggest problem is people. I'm not denying data. I'm giving my opinion.

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Originally Posted by darkangel

LOL I like your rottie mix in his little sweater, I have a rottie/husky mix myself:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9...xiecopyyh3.jpg
I feel like I have responded directly to you concerning the data. I responded that I feel the majority of this is improper ownership. I agree that these dogs are bred to be aggressive towards other dogs, but I don't agree that they are aggressive towards people. And I think in most cases of this aggression, the owner was not properly restraining, controlling, training, handling the dog. No dog should be loose in a public place. No dog should be allowed to run free with unfamiliar dogs. I know you don't want to listen to me say this but I think the biggest problem is people. I'm not denying data. I'm giving my opinion.

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Woo-hoo! I agree with a lot of what you are saying! Of course while not backing down from anything I've already said.

Truce. :D