How Low?

the entire world doesn't have to see the lowest possible price and believe that as gospel. every jimmy doesn't have to instantly have a sale, the low ballers won't know exactly what low is. it will quite things down a bit and give everyone a little more flexibility in their pricing(that the entire bp community doesn't see).



vaughn

I think that would be bad for business imo. Having to email people for a price and wait for replies. That would make it hard on a seller having to spend time away from the business to answer X amount of emails.

I can't see too many sellers who would be willing to risk not advertising their price when the seller right next door (so to speak) has his price up. Most people skip right on by an advert that doesn't have a price.

Jeff B isn't going to change anything that is already making him money. Why do you think scammers are always seen on KS... because they pay!

Here is my opinion on the whole thing. MKR basically crapped on every one of their customers that has bought a Lesser or Mojave from them. If I was one of their customers I would be incensed over it. Luckily I'm not! But the truth is, Joe doesn't really seem to give a crap what people think about him so why should he care about the people who spent their hard earned money with him for an investment animal. Not bought a pet Beagle, but bought an investment animal to breed.

Also, Vaughn is dead on about KS. Stop making breeders post prices and you will stop the out in the open undercutting. Undercutting done behind the scenes has less chances of harming the market as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I think that would be bad for business imo. Having to email people for a price and wait for replies. That would make it hard on a seller having to spend time away from the business to answer X amount of emails.

I can't see too many sellers who would be willing to risk not advertising their price when the seller right next door (so to speak) has his price up. Most people skip right on by an advert that doesn't have a price.

Jeff B isn't going to change anything that is already making him money. Why do you think scammers are always seen on KS... because they pay!

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Eh, make it hard. Teach some folks to actually -advertise- themselves and not their 'sales'. I look at animals, not prices in the long run anyways.
Just a side note. I understand where you're comming from.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

If you have 20 females that produce 10 eggs each how do you get 600 babies? Maybe my calculator is broke. ;)

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This was an EXTREME unrealistic calculation to show what someone with good breeding BEL's and good laying females could do.

I meant to say breed each BEL to 20 females (assuming the BEL's are major studs :)

Edit: the entire point is, people can flood the market and sell for cheap if they have the right setup with super versions of co-doms

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Edit: the entire point is, people can flood the market and sell for cheap if they have the right setup with super versions of co-doms

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Yes they can and do!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Also, Vaughn is dead on about KS. Stop making breeders post prices and you will stop the out in the open undercutting. Undercutting done behind the scenes has less chances of harming the market as a whole.

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It is simple for me, if someone is not willing to put their price out there, than I just move on.... it tells me they don't want to sell to me. At shows, if a dealer can't take the time to mark their animals, than they don't have time for me. I might have missed some great deals, but why hide. One reason this really bothers me is, I watched a dealer once change his verbal price to 3 different buyers in a row in a matter of 2 mins. I don't like being sized up.

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Originally Posted by jbkd

It is simple for me, if someone is not willing to put their price out there, than I just move on.... it tells me they don't want to sell to me. At shows, if a dealer can't take the time to mark their animals, than they don't have time for me. I might have missed some great deals, but why hide. One reason this really bothers me is, I watched a dealer once change his verbal price to 3 different buyers in a row in a matter of 2 mins. I don't like being sized up.

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Maybe they just want serious buyers? I would want people to appraise my animals, not the price I have them at. Anyone worth buying from would have a reasonable offer and not try to shank you for what they could get.

Interesting how the hottest topic on this forum is about the almighty dollar...


I also find it interesting how a lot of breeders go on and on about what a great investment ball's are, and how anyone can get in on it and recoup their initial investment many, many, many times over...it's better than the stock market, it's a sure thing, it's money in the bank, this is just the beginning, blah blah blah...

Now this MKR thing has crashed the whole market....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

I guess my point is that if you're in this for investment purposes, you better be prepared for things like this...

Fortunately I love these critters because they look cool and have great personalities!!!

Come on $350 SPIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's really up to the buyers to do their homework before actually buying.

The big difference is, the market may keep that $1000-$1200 price range for a longer period and see a slower decline Vs seeing the $1200-$1000-$950-$900-$850-$750 in black & white week after week/month after month. This is what seems crazy to me!

These public dumping of morphs and lowering prices in the hundreds and thousands of dollars in one weekend! It's great for that seller today, sure they sell a couple dozen of this and a couple dozen of that and make $25k-$50k BAM!

Fortunately for me I can get a lot more morphs for my BP dollar today than I could've 6-7 months ago! I'm pretty sure we will see some leveling out at some point. I don't think we'll be seeing $100.00 Pastels or $350 Spiders anytime in the next 1-2yrs, or will we??..LOL