Update on Fluffy's clutch + pics

No its called "opinion" not fairy tail. And what humans cannot see or feel many of them believe they do not exist. But Im one of those few who believe in things that I cannot see...My two cents...

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Originally Posted by JLC

Why is your way "right" and her way "wrong?" (And I could ask her the same question.) BP's have been maternally incubating for as long as there have been BP's...and there are a LOT of BP's out there in the wild...so it can't exactly be "wrong" for the snake.

Personally, I would choose to take the eggs and allow the female a faster recovery. But that doesn't mean maternal incubation is wrong. This is very similar to the live vs. f/t debate, I think. The snakes can thrive both ways...so why does it matter if someone else chooses to do it differeintly than you do?

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Key phrase, "out there in the wild". When we decide to bring snakes inside and have them live in a plastic box and sleep under a flower pot bottom, then it is our responsibility to do what is best for them. But maybe we should get back to her/his whole reasoning and that is because he/she thinks the animal wants it that way.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Why is your way "right" and her way "wrong?" (And I could ask her the same question.) BP's have been maternally incubating for as long as there have been BP's...and there are a LOT of BP's out there in the wild...so it can't exactly be "wrong" for the snake.

Personally, I would choose to take the eggs and allow the female a faster recovery. But that doesn't mean maternal incubation is wrong. This is very similar to the live vs. f/t debate, I think. The snakes can thrive both ways...so why does it matter if someone else chooses to do it differeintly than you do?

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Yes. I agree with you. And a debating is not something I like to do because we all have different opinions and we'll always argue because when debating we just cannot change people minds even if "our" way seems right (not saying mine is) but debating is very useless, especailly over the internet.:(

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Originally Posted by Rapture

I realize there are probably no large-scale breeders that practice maternal incubation with their BP's. I just hope that anyone posting on this thread would read it in its entirety, including the links I posted that include theories backed with hard evidence as to why maternal incubation is actually beneficial to the neonates compared to artificial incubation, and that it also does not seem to cause much stress for the female incubating. This data was taken from animals in captivity. I posted the links to these lab reports in this thread when a member requested articles about maternal incubation.

So, just please read everything in attempts to understand why I am doing what I am doing before forming the opinion that I do not care about the health of my animals or that I am not doing what is right for them.

(Jamie, this is not directed at your above post.)

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Re-posting this because I think it is important and don't want it to get lost in the recent posts.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Key phrase, "out there in the wild". When we decide to bring snakes inside and have them live in a plastic box and sleep under a flower pot bottom, then it is our responsibility to do what is best for them. But maybe we should get back to her/his whole reasoning and that is because he/she thinks the animal wants it that way.

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In a way I agree with you. We have responsibity for our charges that we take from the wild. But thats why I try to have everything right for my snake. And try not to change anything from her wild state. Thats just what I believe in. And in all my tanks I make mine like the beauty of the wild. But ofcourse of my snake has a problem or mites or bugs or anything liek that I change it because I agree if an animal is in our care we must provide for htem, and I do what I believe I should. Plz lets not argue about this because we all know it doesnt get anywhere....

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Key phrase, "out there in the wild". When we decide to bring snakes inside and have them live in a plastic box and sleep under a flower pot bottom, then it is our responsibility to do what is best for them. But maybe we should get back to her/his whole reasoning and that is because he/she thinks the animal wants it that way.

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I totally agree that we have to do what's best for them when we have them in captivity. But different people are going to percieve "what's best" quite differently at times. If someone else maintains thriving, healthy snakes, then what does it matter if their methods differ from yours?

Hey Rapture how do the eggs looks now? :)

Do you feel they may hatch soon. I cant wait to see pics of pipping and babies comming out of the eggs.:D

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Originally Posted by Rapture

I realize there are probably no large-scale breeders that practice maternal incubation with their BP's. I just hope that anyone posting on this thread would read it in its entirety, including the links I posted that include theories backed with hard evidence as to why maternal incubation is actually beneficial to the neonates compared to artificial incubation, and that it also does not seem to cause much stress for the female incubating. This data was taken from animals in captivity. I posted the links to these lab reports in this thread when a member requested articles about maternal incubation.

So, just please read everything in attempts to understand why I am doing what I am doing before forming the opinion that I do not care about the health of my animals or that I am not doing what is right for them.

(Jamie, this is not directed at your above post.)

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Understood. You made a decision based on articles. On that point I will say that there is a lot of false information thrown around as fact in the form of scientific articles. I have been following this thread and am excited for you that you are so close to hatching some babies. You certainly have your right to do with your animals what you feel is correct. But I have the right to point out why I think it is wrong and I certainly have the right to correct people who agree with you based on artifical human feelings that they have assigned to their animals. Best of luck and hopefully no hard feelings on your end! :)

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Originally Posted by JLC

I totally agree that we have to do what's best for them when we have them in captivity. But different people are going to percieve "what's best" quite differently at times. If someone else maintains thriving, healthy snakes, then what does it matter if their methods differ from yours?

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Since none of us are scientists, what's best has to be based on successes and failures of the breeders who have been doing this for years. Remember when that moron came here and told everyone that the 92-95 was too high of a temp for Balls? He made something up and got a whole message board (not this one luckily) of people to believe him and follow his word. I prefer to live my life based in some sort of reality and to believe that what works for the people that do it most and best, is as close to the right way as we are going to come.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Understood. You made a decision based on articles. On that point I will say that there is a lot of false information thrown around as fact in the form of scientific articles. I have been following this thread and am excited for you that you are so close to hatching some babies. You certainly have your right to do with your animals what you feel is correct. But I have the right to point out why I think it is wrong and I certainly have the right to correct people who agree with you based on artifical human feelings that they have assigned to their animals. Best of luck and hopefully no hard feelings on your end! :)

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Well thats why everyone is different in the world. ::shrugs:: If we all agreed on everything what a boring very simple world that'd be.