Ethics of Hybrids

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Originally Posted by Dread

Thanks for the link! That is an interesting paper, and certainly presents data for further discussion. Their particular slant on conservation and resource management to distinguish the three as separate species certainly biases the hybrid discussion concerning the three snakes (hadn't realized there were three of them!), but strengthens the call for a definition of species when discussing these snakes. Also, their presentation of the unweighted bootstrap values on the phylogenetic tree (getting over anyone's head yet?) might bias its topology. Anyone care to discuss?

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Cant help too much in this department I dont know very much about molecular systematics.

But its nice to have a fellow molecular biology nerd as part of the group.....welcome....but come on man.....you need to REPRESENT......get some biochem bling for an avatar.....:)

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Originally Posted by Dread

A very cool snake... but where's the story!?!

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I found the photo on this website: http://www.highendherps.com/wst_page10.html

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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_

I found the photo on this website: http://www.highendherps.com/wst_page10.html

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Well there ya go. It's NOT a burm/ball hybrid. It's a burm/Afrock. Still an extraordinary animal....but not nearly so unbelievable as a burm/ball.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Well there ya go. It's NOT a burm/ball hybrid. It's a burm/Afrock. Still an extraordinary animal....but not nearly so unbelievable as a burm/ball.

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The photo underneath the ''ballxburm'' is the afrock x burm. Neither Afrock nor Burm has the head in the "ballxburm" photo.

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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_

The photo underneath the ''ballxburm'' is the afrock x burm. Neither Afrock nor Burm has the head in the "ballxburm" photo.

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Did you read the story? Not once does it mention ball python. It is exclusively about producing the world's only albino burm/afrock. The picture you refer to is the DH parent of the albino. I realize the face looks a little "ballish" but if it is, I'll eat my keyboard.

So here is the list:
P.regiusxP.anchietae -> viable cross
P.regiusxP. curtus or breitensteini or brongersmai (all?) -> viable cross
P.reticulatusxP.molurus bivittatus -> viable cross
P.molurus bivittatusxP.sebae -> viable cross, albinism compatible!

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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_

Is this a burm x ball hybrid?

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/burmball.bmp

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Did you read the story? Not once does it mention ball python. It is exclusively about producing the world's only albino burm/afrock. The picture you refer to is the DH parent of the albino. I realize the face looks a little "ballish" but if it is, I'll eat my keyboard.

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I originally posted that picture because I was not sure. It really looks "ballish" and nothing more I guess. Thanks for the info. (It was to cool to be true)

I do not believe snakes should have hybrid babies or the snake world will end up like the dog types out there "Mutts"

That's an interesting thought, but there are couple of points you may not have considered:

1. Dogs are all of the same species, no matter what the "breed". Mutts occur when there isn't any selective breeding. Breeding different species of snakes together to create hybrids is the ultimate in selective breeding, the opposite of creating a mutt.

2. Have you seen snake hybrids? Nothing mutt-ish about them!

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Originally Posted by Sapphire7

I do not believe snakes should have hybrid babies or the snake world will end up like the dog types out there "Mutts"

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Dog breeds are not seperate species, they are created by selective breeding among members of the same species.......

Dont knock "Mutts" ethier....they are often healthier than "purebreeds" because they have a much lower incidence of hereditary diseases.