Terry Cullen raided

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Originally Posted by bsd13

What facts do you have to show anyone that they have somehow mishandled this incident, or lied, or obfuscated anything in regards to it?

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Like you, I have no facts.

Unlike you, I won't hang a man because someone in "authority" says I should.

You've convicted, hung, drawn and quartered this guy, who may or may not deserve such treatment, before you've got anything other than news reports.

That gives you the right to an opinion, but this wholesale "he WAS arrested BECAUSE..." when you have no facts to back it up is basically pandering to the crowd and quite possibly lying.

Are you consistently pre-mature in other areas of your life or is it limited to this incident?

If anyone here who I've seen on the forums taking pride in their animals and showing concern for their well being had police come in and confiscate their animals, get charged with neglect or not having permits.. I would give them benefit of a doubt and believe that there was some mistake.

Even if it was bsd. Yep. Even if I heard at a show or online that YOU had your animals taken away for neglect.. I'd still say "I doubt he'd do that." And I'd tell people that they should give a chance for the truth to be shown, rather than jumping to the conclusion that you were guilty of the charges. Why? Because I've seen postings from you that make me believe that you take good care of your critters and you wouldn't neglect or harm them.

I know you even LESS than I "know" Cullen, because at least I've met him in person once or twice at a show. But I would give you benefit of a doubt. Innocent people get charged with things all of the time.. and the media gets stuff wrong all of the time. If every person who had charges brought up was automatically guilty, we wouldn't need a court system.

Give the guy a chance to prove his innocence before you get the pitchforks and torchs out. I'm sure most people on here would give you that chance, why doesn't Cullen deserve that chance too?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Like you, I have no facts.

Unlike you, I won't hang a man because someone in "authority" says I should.

You've convicted, hung, drawn and quartered this guy, who may or may not deserve such treatment, before you've got anything other than news reports.

That gives you the right to an opinion, but this wholesale "he WAS arrested BECAUSE..." when you have no facts to back it up is basically pandering to the crowd and quite possibly lying.

Are you consistently pre-mature in other areas of your life or is it limited to this incident?

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When did I say he was arrested? His "partner" was arrested and that is indisputable. She has also been released on $15,000 bond and not officially charged yet. If you missed the part about these not being my opinion, but various media reports that's not my problem. Read more carefully.

Where have I even stated my opinion about anything that has happened? Go ahead, point it out for me. I'll wait...

You can't, because I've not said stated any opinions about what Terry Cullen has or hasn't done, what he should or should not be charged with. I've said what the reports say and used some common sense.

For example I utterly dismiss the idea that PETA set him up by filing a false police report regarding a sexual assault to get officer to his location. Even if they had done something like that they didn't put the places in such disrepair that at least one of them was condemned.

But you know what, maybe you're right. Maybe it's a big conspiracy by the animal hating people from the police, fire, two zoos involved, miscellaneous city works, neighbors, and Wisconsin humane society. Maybe they're all out to get Terry Cullen... :weirdface

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

If anyone here who I've seen on the forums taking pride in their animals and showing concern for their well being had police come in and confiscate their animals, get charged with neglect or not having permits.. I would give them benefit of a doubt and believe that there was some mistake.

Even if it was bsd. Yep. Even if I heard at a show or online that YOU had your animals taken away for neglect.. I'd still say "I doubt he'd do that." And I'd tell people that they should give a chance for the truth to be shown, rather than jumping to the conclusion that you were guilty of the charges. Why? Because I've seen postings from you that make me believe that you take good care of your critters and you wouldn't neglect or harm them.

I know you even LESS than I "know" Cullen, because at least I've met him in person once or twice at a show. But I would give you benefit of a doubt. Innocent people get charged with things all of the time.. and the media gets stuff wrong all of the time. If every person who had charges brought up was automatically guilty, we wouldn't need a court system.

Give the guy a chance to prove his innocence before you get the pitchforks and torchs out. I'm sure most people on here would give you that chance, why doesn't Cullen deserve that chance too?

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If this was one little police department trying to malign one guy I could easily see dismissing their claims. But it's not. It's multiple people from multiple agencies and civilian businesses. It's his neighbors even. At some point you have to acknowledge at least that much.

I simply do not subscribe to the notion that this is some great conspiracy to bring Terry Cullen down. They kicked in his door to serve a warrant and found what they found. Can you give me one good, solid reason that they would lie and convince so many other people to lie about it as well?

I'm all for giving him a chance. It's the American way, let him have his day in court. Like I said I'll continue to withhold my opinion either in favor or against him until a decision is rendered in court or the legal officials decide not to pursue charges.

As far as me being accused of something, I would hope you would consider the evidence at hand. If my house was raided, 200 animals taken and the place condemned I hope that would be a major factor in your considerations. I've had the misfortune of being with a humane society that has had to clean up the mess from an animal lover who let things get out of control. It happens. Not all the time but it does. And I guess that's why unlike so many others on here I don't find this totally unbelievable. Because I've seen it first hand with cats, dogs, and livestock.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Innocent people get charged with things all of the time..

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I can personally attest to this.

Here is a article on police raids going wrong and animals being killed for no reason.They do make mistakes.

If this is happening then there should be some sort of procedure to change it. To just say hay thats what police do and is wrong.

http://wjz.com/pets/botched.raids.wjz.2.854006.html

I dont care what anyone says the law says, shooting 2 dogs with no real reason is just wrong, it doesn't matter if it's the government's fault or the officers. Isn't that why we have animal control??! :rage::taz:

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Originally Posted by Danounet

I dont care what anyone says the law says, shooting 2 dogs with no real reason is just wrong, it doesn't matter if it's the government's fault or the officers. Isn't that why we have animal control??! :rage::taz:

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On the one hand I agree completely with you.

On the other I can't say there was "no real reason" because I wasn't there for the raid. The Columbia Missouri swat raid had me absolutely livid, still upsets me, but once again I wasn't there to see if the dog that was shot and killed posed any threat whatsoever to any officers life or limb.

Columbia SWAT raid:

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If you chose to watch that video can you say that the dog posed no threat whatsoever to any officer's life or limb? In criminal courts the officers are almost always cleared of any wrong doing when it comes to shooting an animal. Sad, but true.

Saw that video a week or so ago. It made me rage inside. :rage:

Thanks, but you missed my point anyways, If it is known that there are animals in there specially dogs, why not bring animal control along? Why are things done this way??