Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

Switched all the kids to aspen this week. So far I kinda like it. Very fine dust though. Phyllis sneezed like a dozen time or more after she ate tonight, wonder if she got a nose full of aspen dust while eating. Otherwise makes the cages look brighter, the one piss I've had to clean was very well absorbed and easy to spot. Humidity has plummeted though which is probably attributed to both a drier substrate as well as drier air from the heat being on in the house. Sitting around 40~50% down from 60~70% with coco chips.
Also got Phyllis a pink camo bowl and upgraded Gerald to her old regular camo bowl.
Also Phyllis ate tonight after a ten day gap between feedings and didn't completely destroy her cage or face. Let's hope she'll go another ten... I feel like she's gotten a bit chunky so I'm trying to stretch out her feeding schedule
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What i do is mist the aspen right after i change it to get rid of the dust. Then i usually mist it once or twice a week in the winter. I've never had it mold and it even got soaked from Luna plopping her big bottom in her water bowl and flooding the cage.

And yeah, aspen is much easier to work with imo than the coco stuff. The coco stuff does hold humidity well but from what i read on the chondro boards which seems to apply to all snakes really, is that as long as the snake is hydrated by drinking water, they really dont need to live in a constant wet cage. All that does is create an awesome breeding ground for bacteria, fungi and mold. All of the chondro guys seem to mist and let it spike, then let it dry completely out down to around 40% and then spike it again. Recently that is what i have been doing with all the snakes but mostly because i have been lazy and havent been misting their cages lol. They all seem fine and Rosey even had a perfect shed and her humidity has been around 50%.

Caesar sometimes gets a piece or 2 of aspen stuck in his throat here and there. You hear him coughing, then he goes over and takes a huge drink of water and is fine again lol. I try and feed everyone on cardboard now but half the time they drag it off and through the aspen :(

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Switched all the kids to aspen this week. So far I kinda like it. Very fine dust though. Phyllis sneezed like a dozen time or more after she ate tonight, wonder if she got a nose full of aspen dust while eating. Otherwise makes the cages look brighter, the one piss I've had to clean was very well absorbed and easy to spot. Humidity has plummeted though which is probably attributed to both a drier substrate as well as drier air from the heat being on in the house. Sitting around 40~50% down from 60~70% with coco chips.
Also got Phyllis a pink camo bowl and upgraded Gerald to her old regular camo bowl.
Also Phyllis ate tonight after a ten day gap between feedings and didn't completely destroy her cage or face. Let's hope she'll go another ten... I feel like she's gotten a bit chunky so I'm trying to stretch out her feeding schedule
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Looks great brother!

Nearly got a good measurement on Phyllis tonight but couldn't say her exact length for certain. Pretty confident that she is 9' if not 9'6" at most. Certainly much larger than was anticipated for a super dwarf but honestly, is in every way a very manageable snake. Handles easily, not an unreasonable amount of maintenance, well mannered, and gorgeous to boot. Just wish she didn't push so much as it stresses me out. She turns two years old on February 14th. Really very lucky to get to care for this awesome critter.
To give a sense of scale/proportion, that blue hook is just about 3'6"
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She's a looker - little larger than I would anticipate for a SD but like you said, still manageable is a good thing. Think she'll put more length on? (Understanding snakes grow until they die, but drastically slows with age)

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She's a looker - little larger than I would anticipate for a SD but like you said, still manageable is a good thing. Think she'll put more length on? (Understanding snakes grow until they die, but drastically slows with age)

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I really can't say for sure. Supposedly her parents were pure WC Kalatoa ~7' mom and ~5-6' dad. A year ago I said I wouldn't be surprised if she got close to 10'. She's about there but has put on significantly more weight rather than length in the last 4-5 months. Probably a foot or more in length since August but has doubled in weight in the same amount of time. Was about 7'6" weighing 7.5lbs in August and is now ~9' and 15lbs. I guess I should prepare for a 12' snake at this point... that is one "Super" dwarf I suppose... love her though


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Nearly got a good measurement on Phyllis tonight but couldn't say her exact length for certain. Pretty confident that she is 9' if not 9'6" at most. Certainly much larger than was anticipated for a super dwarf but honestly, is in every way a very manageable snake. Handles easily, not an unreasonable amount of maintenance, well mannered, and gorgeous to boot. Just wish she didn't push so much as it stresses me out. She turns two years old on February 14th. Really very lucky to get to care for this awesome critter.
To give a sense of scale/proportion, that blue hook is just about 3'6"
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9 feet does sound very manageable. Sometimes i wonder if i got in over my heat with my male mainland........ but dang, i am in love with him and theres no way i could ever let him go. Regardless of his size. He has grown out of being a pusher so i think i will get him a good 10-14 feet or so and then just maintaience feed him.

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Nearly got a good measurement on Phyllis tonight but couldn't say her exact length for certain. Pretty confident that she is 9' if not 9'6" at most. Certainly much larger than was anticipated for a super dwarf but honestly, is in every way a very manageable snake. Handles easily, not an unreasonable amount of maintenance, well mannered, and gorgeous to boot. Just wish she didn't push so much as it stresses me out. She turns two years old on February 14th. Really very lucky to get to care for this awesome critter.
To give a sense of scale/proportion, that blue hook is just about 3'6"
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She's getting big!


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This young lady turns two years old next month! Can't believe it's been that long. She shed last night is getting enormous. Every bit of 9'+. Using coco chips with her again because I didn't like how the aspen was roughing up her belly scales when she pushed.
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Definitely getting big. I went back to ReptiChips for Caesar after you mentioned the rough scales to me. It's weird, the boas and everyone else is fine on it, just Caesar from his pushing I'm assuming. He never had that issue as a baby, only started fairly recently. Didnt really thing much about it until you mentioned it for Phyllis. Guess the retics need their ReptiChips haha.

Yeah, I think it has to do with the heavy pushing too. Gerald pushes too but he must not as hard because he didn't get frayed belly scales so I'm going to at least run out that bag of aspen on him and Geoffrey. Coco chips for Phyllis though


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Yeah, I think it has to do with the heavy pushing too. Gerald pushes too but he must not as hard because he didn't get frayed belly scales so I'm going to at least run out that bag of aspen on him and Geoffrey. Coco chips for Phyllis though


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Yeah thats weird. The boas ar fairly active at night and very rarely will sorta push but nothing big. It must have to do with the body shaking, cage shaking Hercules pushing that Phyllis and Caesar do lol.

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This young lady turns two years old next month! Can't believe it's been that long. She shed last night is getting enormous. Every bit of 9'+. Using coco chips with her again because I didn't like how the aspen was roughing up her belly scales when she pushed.
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RBI jumbo hides in an Animal plastics T25 and the shelf with the same footprint for scale reference. Not a super dwarf, a SUPER dwarf hahah


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Dig the setup. I'm going to get my busy/lazy butt in gear and work on the new cage today.

Let this girl out to roam the snake room for an hour this morning, heard a loud crash and came in to find this https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...88fdbfa3e0.jpg knocked a bobble head figure off the top of her cage and the pump sprayer too. She needs more exercise, she's getting kinda chunky. Still pushes like a maniac after like 5-6 days. Might try covering the front of the cage and see if it helps


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Haha, snakes love to knock stuff over. Caesar has been pretty quiet this past week. The 30th of last month was 10 days for food and he isnt even pushing or out. I think he's getting ready to shed as he is sitting in his hide 24/7 and pretty antisocial. When he is done shedding, he is going to be a terror im sure lol.

She looks great.

Glad you and Sauzo are still enjoying the species.

That picture made me smile!

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She looks great.

Glad you and Sauzo are still enjoying the species.

That picture made me smile!

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Not sure it's enjoyment or being kept a slave by my retic haha. J/K. Caesar is awesome. He is one of the snakes i would truly be heartbroken if i had to get rid of. I love all my snakes but he is up there as one of my favorites. Such a character and like i've said countless times, he seems to enjoy the interaction the most out of everyone and loves the attention which they say snakes arent supposed to like or show.

Kind of a bummer when he goes into shed though as him and my beardie are the 2 pets who are there to pretty much greet me when i come in. the boas perk up and look at me but Caesar and the beardie look you in the eyes and actually come to you and seem to love the petting haha.

So I let her roam twice today a little over an hour both times. Second time she went right to her mulch tub and coiled up for a bit until I bugged her, then to her cleaning tub, and back to the mulch for at least 20-30 minutes per tub changed on the cooler side of the room about 71*. Doing a trial run of much cooler temps in her cage and see if she chills out more between feeding. Going down to 73.5* cool side, should keep warm side anywhere from 87-81* from the shelf moving downward to the floor. I also only have her panel set at 65% maximum power. That's a feature I like a lot on my newer of my two herpstat 2 redlines. A bit gentler heat somewhat more consistently to provide steadier temps. Much cooler than I've gone before but she can still access heat on the shelf if needed
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She looks great - love it when they explore.

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So I let her roam twice today a little over an hour both times. Second time she went right to her mulch tub and coiled up for a bit until I bugged her, then to her cleaning tub, and back to the mulch for at least 20-30 minutes per tub changed on the cooler side of the room about 71*. Doing a trial run of much cooler temps in her cage and see if she chills out more between feeding. Going down to 73.5* cool side, should keep warm side anywhere from 87-81* from the shelf moving downward to the floor. I also only have her panel set at 65% maximum power. That's a feature I like a lot on my newer of my two herpstat 2 redlines. A bit gentler heat somewhat more consistently to provide steadier temps. Much cooler than I've gone before but she can still access heat on the shelf if needed
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Best of luck man. I know i keep Caesar with a cool side of around 77-79F and his flexwatt set to 86-88F. He still pushes here and there. Keep us updated though because if it works, maybe I'll try and drop Caesar down in temps too.

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Best of luck man. I know i keep Caesar with a cool side of around 77-79F and his flexwatt set to 86-88F. He still pushes here and there. Keep us updated though because if it works, maybe I'll try and drop Caesar down in temps too.

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I'm at my wits end. It's either stuff her with food until she's grossly obese or figure out another way to get her to chill. I've even thought about trying to put her back in a 4' cage even though she's 9'. Sometimes they chill out in a smaller space. I'll keep you posted if I come to any conclusions.


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I'm at my wits end. It's either stuff her with food until she's grossly obese or figure out another way to get her to chill. I've even thought about trying to put her back in a 4' cage even though she's 9'. Sometimes they chill out in a smaller space. I'll keep you posted if I come to any conclusions.


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For sure. Does she only push at that center beam where the air gap is for the 2 sliding doors? Thats pretty much the only place Caesar ever pushes. And even when i stuff paper towels in between the doors, that is still where he will push.

She is looking great, JM... I saw a 100% pure Kalatoa at an expo a few weeks back that was 4 years old and probably only around 3' long. It was unbelievable how tiny it was!

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For sure. Does she only push at that center beam where the air gap is for the 2 sliding doors? Thats pretty much the only place Caesar ever pushes. And even when i stuff paper towels in between the doors, that is still where he will push.

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Yep, right against the center beam and only from the right side of it.
So I lowered her temps and covered the front of the cage with a sheet of cardboard last night... no pushing! Gonna raise temps a degree or two and leave it covered tonight to see if she stays calm.


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Yep, right against the center beam and only from the right side of it.
So I lowered her temps and covered the front of the cage with a sheet of cardboard last night... no pushing! Gonna raise temps a degree or two and leave it covered tonight to see if she stays calm.


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Lol exact same spot and side Caesar pushes from too.

Did anyone listen to the Morelia Pythons Radio podcast about dwarf and superdwarf retics? They had a guy on from I think Reachout Reptiles who specialises in them and get talked about feeding schedules etc. I don't remember the exact details but he keeps them cooler than mainlands, feeds them something like once a month and hasn't had a problem with the pushing. It was actually a specific question that came up and, if I remember correctly, he says they only push at the glass if they're too hot.

Worth listening to if anyone is interested.

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Did anyone listen to the Morelia Pythons Radio podcast about dwarf and superdwarf retics? They had a guy on from I think Reachout Reptiles who specialises in them and get talked about feeding schedules etc. I don't remember the exact details but he keeps them cooler than mainlands, feeds them something like once a month and hasn't had a problem with the pushing. It was actually a specific question that came up and, if I remember correctly, he says they only push at the glass if they're too hot.

Worth listening to if anyone is interested.

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Yeah I listened to it and asked him about the pushing too. So far cooler temps and keeping the doors covered the last two nights have helped. I've also been letting her roam the room for and hour or more the last few days to burn off some steam. We'll see if we can get to 10 days before I feed again. She's at 7 right now


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What temps do you keep Phyllis at? I keep Caesar with a 79F cool side/whole ambient and a 86F hot spot with flexwatt. He has been incredibly quiet the past week or so thank god to shedding lol. He sat in his warm hide for a while, then has been in his cool hide for the past few days. Been like 16 days since his last dinner. This is amazing to have a quiet retic...kind of. I do miss interacting with him and petting him and having him come out to greet me. At least i still got my little beardie who loves to say hi to me lol.

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What temps do you keep Phyllis at? I keep Caesar with a 79F cool side/whole ambient and a 86F hot spot with flexwatt. He has been incredibly quiet the past week or so thank god to shedding lol. He sat in his warm hide for a while, then has been in his cool hide for the past few days. Been like 16 days since his last dinner. This is amazing to have a quiet retic...kind of. I do miss interacting with him and petting him and having him come out to greet me. At least i still got my little beardie who loves to say hi to me lol.

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I've currently got her herpstat probe on the cool side set at 74* which has been keeping the warm ambient around ~76* and low to mid 80s directly under the RHP depending on what % of power it's running at. Not sure if the cooler temps or covering the doors is what's doing the trick right now but I'll take whatever I can get. We'll see how she did all day while I've been on campus. I really would like for her to go at least 10 days between feedings because I feel like she's been getting fat. Not quite as athletic of a physique as she used to have 6 months ago


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I've currently got her herpstat probe on the cool side set at 74* which has been keeping the warm ambient around ~76* and low to mid 80s directly under the RHP depending on what % of power it's running at. Not sure if the cooler temps or covering the doors is what's doing the trick right now but I'll take whatever I can get. We'll see how she did all day while I've been on campus. I really would like for her to go at least 10 days between feedings because I feel like she's been getting fat. Not quite as athletic of a physique as she used to have 6 months ago


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....shoulda just used flexwatt and let the ambient be the room temp.....j/k :D

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....shoulda just used flexwatt and let the ambient be the room temp.....j/k :D

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Oh it's definitely crossed my mind. I've got a 21"x24" flexwatt strip that I have as backup for her cage, but I'd have to undo the whole stack to get under her cage to set it up. Room temp is about 70-72* which is a little low for my liking for the cage ambient though. Hrmmm...


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hApPiE bUrPhDaEy, PhYlLiS! She crawled out of her egg somewhere between 2/11/16-2/14/16 so I figured now is as good of a day as any. Most astonishing growth rate of any animal I've ever worked with.
The day I got her 3/4/16, about 20" and 56grams https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...01d08b1d20.jpg
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Lol happy b-day Phyllis.

On a side note, did the lower temps help with the pushing and being able to extend feeding days?

I think it helped a little bit. She went to 9 days without going completely bonkers but was still pushing a little by that day. Yesterday was 5 days after eating a 4xl guinea pig and she already pooped. I could feed this animal a freaking horse and she'd poop within a week probably


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hApPiE bUrPhDaEy, PhYlLiS! She crawled out of her egg somewhere between 2/11/16-2/14/16 so I figured now is as good of a day as any. Most astonishing growth rate of any animal I've ever worked with.
The day I got her 3/4/16, about 20" and 56grams https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...01d08b1d20.jpg
Today 2/12/18, about 9' and 16lbs+https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5865f574e4.jpg
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Exceptionally cool!

She looks great.

Wallace has his 2nd B-day June 1st. He's 6.5 - 7 feet now.

Bummer about the pushing, I have never dealt with it. Once in a great while the carpet and boa will push but not for hunger reasons.

Phyllis is the PERFECT size IMO.

Well done and Happy B-day.

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hApPiE bUrPhDaEy, PhYlLiS! She crawled out of her egg somewhere between 2/11/16-2/14/16 so I figured now is as good of a day as any. Most astonishing growth rate of any animal I've ever worked with.
The day I got her 3/4/16, about 20" and 56grams https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...01d08b1d20.jpg
Today 2/12/18, about 9' and 16lbs+https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5865f574e4.jpg
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Damn happy birthday Phyllis! She is looking really good!

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It was 78* this afternoon between teaching my drawing and design classes so Phyllis got to wander in the yard for a a min... and took a huge poop like 4 minutes later. Retics...
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Lol yeah i tried lowering the temps for Caesar too and it didnt really do squat. If he doesnt get food within a about 10 days after eating, he goes bonkers and starts pushing and being an overall pita.

On a plus note though, Caesar isnt mad at me anymore for messing with his face during the whole tooth through the lip fiasco. He was pissed at me for 2 days no kidding. He wouldnt greet me. He would wander away when i opened the cage to pet him. Gave me stink eye and would go in his hide. Now he is back to normal. He comes out to greet me. Last night he sat on my arm while i petted him for about 20 mins. I know snakes dont show emotion and stuff but i swear, retics come the closest to it lol.

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Lol yeah i tried lowering the temps for Caesar too and it didnt really do squat. If he doesnt get food within a about 10 days after eating, he goes bonkers and starts pushing and being an overall pita.

On a plus note though, Caesar isnt mad at me anymore for messing with his face during the whole tooth through the lip fiasco. He was pissed at me for 2 days no kidding. He wouldnt greet me. He would wander away when i opened the cage to pet him. Gave me stink eye and would go in his hide. Now he is back to normal. He comes out to greet me. Last night he sat on my arm while i petted him for about 20 mins. I know snakes dont show emotion and stuff but i swear, retics come the closest to it lol.

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I love stories like this, displaying the personality of snakes.

I'm at a loss as far as the pushing goes.

Wallace has never pushed and I feed him about every 4 weeks.

He's still in his smaller cage but I'm moving him soon.

I have not had any problem snakes here. Maybe its luck or I'm somewhat dialed in. I'm not really sure .

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I'm at a loss as far as the pushing goes.

Wallace has never pushed and I feed him about every 4 weeks.

He's still in his smaller cage but I'm moving him soon.

I have not had any problem snakes here. Maybe its luck or I'm somewhat dialed in. I'm not really sure .

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Lol you got lucky. Caesar and Phyllis have pushed since day one. Sounds like Gene is starting to do it now too lol. Count your blessing while they last :D

And if i made Caesar wait 4 weeks for dinner, he would have a hamburger face. I made him wait like 2-3 weeks once to see what would happen. It wasnt pretty. He had cut pits, lips, chin, everything. And it was not a pretty sight.

Just snagged a loose tooth out of her face as she was finishing her guinea pig. I'm betting there are another couple stuck in her gums. Gonna take a look tomorrow or the day after, give her meal time to settle. This damn snake...


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Just snagged a loose tooth out of her face as she was finishing her guinea pig. I'm betting there are another couple stuck in her gums. Gonna take a look tomorrow or the day after, give her meal time to settle. This damn snake...


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Lol dang man. When i was fixing Caesar's lip, i found out the hard way his teeth are all very secure......and very sharp. Caught my fingers on a couple of them. They are big, sharp and plentiful lol.

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Lol dang man. When i was fixing Caesar's lip, i found out the hard way his teeth are all very secure......and very sharp. Caught my fingers on a couple of them. They are big, sharp and plentiful lol.

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I don't know about Retics! You guys seem to be having a little too much fun with their dental issues.

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Retics arent very shy and if they want to go somewhere, they arent afraid to use their head/face as a battering ram lol. Combine that with the incredible force behind their push and you would know. Caesar literally uses his whole upper half to push and stands up and shakes violently sometimes haha. It's rattled the cage doors on the cage stack.

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Don't know that I'd say I'm having fun... learning a lot but fun? More stressful than anything lol. Gonna just slam her with food to push her into shed and see how it heals up. Breeder friend of mine had the same issue with one of his SD girls last month


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Perfect size.

I hope Wallace tops off around her length and girth.

I love her pattern whether it be in shed or out. She's about the perfect retic IMO.

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Perfect size.

I hope Wallace tops off around her length and girth.

I love her pattern whether it be in shed or out. She's about the perfect retic IMO.

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Thanks brother! She's a pretty impressively built animal. Easy 17+lbs now. Only complaint is the pushing but I think I can curb that with slightly smaller but more frequent meals with a bigger prey here and there. I'll keep us all posted when I get that feeding schedule figured out. Probably a colossal rat a week once I order more rodents. Think I'm going to try perfect prey or big cheese this time around.


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Decided to go with paper eh? If you are going to use that. Check into this stuff. I know a lot of the boa breeders use. Me and Skip Frye had a chat about using it over substrate. This is for the 2 foot deep cages. Would have to change it for the 30 inch deep cages. https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail...Flute-24-x-250